Dear Mr. Peyton Manning

GumboBC · 01-22-2005, 11:48 AM

Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Fran Tarketon, blah, blah, blah

All of those guys have one thing over Peyton Mannng. And that is they actually got to the super bowl.

What\'s more, those guys didn\'t CHOKE and get their teams sent home!!

Y\'all keep wanting to talk about the great games Peyton has played. No arguement from me there, guys!! None at all. He\'s had a slew of extraordinary games.

But, some guys aren\'t good when the stuff hits the fan. They simply don\'t react well in certain situations.

In Peyton\'s case, it\'s playoff games. At some point, EVERY YEAR, Peyton has a God awful game in the playoffs.

Let me repeat that. EVERY YEAR Peyton has a terrible game in the playoffs.

I would give Peyton a pass if it wouldn\'t have happend 4 or 5 years in a row.

But the FACT is, until he overcomes his poor play in the post season, there will be folks who thinks he is a choke artist.

I don\'t see anyone other than Peyton Manning that threw all those ints in the playoffs every year. It wasn\'t Marvin Harrison or Edgerin James who threw them. Nope. It was Peyton.

Sure, Peyton can silence all of his critics one day. But, today he is what he is.

That\'s right... HE IS WHAT HE IS!!!

And that is a great QB in the regular season who plays very badly in at least one playoff game EVERY year.

Hey, it\'s not just me who\'s saying this about Peyton.

It\'s in the national media guys.

Now, we can sit here and say Peyton Manning is a VERY GOOD QB. And he is.

However, he must overcome his problems in the playoffs before he can be considered great.

It\'s one thing to lose a playoff game by getting outplayed. But, it\'s an entirely different matter when your QB (Peyton Manning) is largely responsible for getttig you sent home every year.

You guys can sit here and toot Peyton Manning\'s horn all you want. But, it doesn\'t change a thing!!!

Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc, ect... never had all the terrible games Peyton has had in the playoffs.

BrooksMustGo · 01-22-2005, 12:04 PM

Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc, ect... never had all the terrible games Peyton has had in the playoffs.

Again, Brett Favre is conspicuous by his absence in this discussion.

GumboBC · 01-22-2005, 12:25 PM

Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc, ect... never had all the terrible games Peyton has had in the playoffs.

Again, Brett Favre is conspicuous by his absence in this discussion.

Favre is much like Peyton. He is a choke artist too. Only difference is Favre just hasn\'t done it EVERY year.

BrooksMustGo · 01-22-2005, 12:58 PM

Favre is much like Peyton. He is a choke artist too. Only difference is Favre just hasn\'t done it EVERY year.

I\'m almost afraid to ask here, but who by your reckoning is a \"choke artist\"? Or is there a shorter list of \"non choke artists\"?

But by all means, keep digging, this is getting truly entertaining.

GumboBC · 01-22-2005, 01:15 PM

BMG --

I know its killing your soul that I\'m downing Peyton. Along with a lot of other Peyton fans.

But that\'s the way it is when you\'re a fan of a player. Take Aaron Brooks for example. I\'m a big fan of him. I don\'t particularly like hearing a lot of the unfair garbage I hear about him. But I hear it nonetheless. Over and over and over and over again!!

Now back to your question....

I\'ll do you one better. Instead of listing all of the players that I consider to be choke artists. Let me \"define\" what my definition of choke artist is.

Choke Artist -- A person that single handidly performs bad in certain situations.

Peyton Manning -- Year after year after year he plays TERRIBLE in the playoffs.

Solution -- Stop doing it. Stop throwing all those INTs in the playoffs. Oh, and, don\'t be so paranoid about the your past playoff history that you don\'t try to make plays and help your team win. Hell, I respected you more in those games that you threw the INTs. At least you were TRYING to win.

Saint_LB · 01-22-2005, 03:05 PM

At least Peyton is, in your words, \"choking\" in the playoffs...unlike someone else who chokes over and over long before the playoffs, thus, keeping us out of the playoffs. I would take the success of the Colts over the last four years over the mediocrity that we keep getting shoved down our throats.

I know what your up to, though. You don\'t like people talking negative about your hero, AB, so you counter-punch with some negativity about someone else that you consider to be near and dear to all of us. Problem is, your arguments just aren\'t holding water. It is like comparing apples to oranges.

GumboBC · 01-22-2005, 03:21 PM

At least Peyton is, in your words, \"choking\" in the playoffs...unlike someone else who chokes over and over long before the playoffs, thus, keeping us out of the playoffs. I would take the success of the Colts over the last four years over the mediocrity that we keep getting shoved down our throats.

I know what your up to, though. You don\'t like people talking negative about your hero, AB, so you counter-punch with some negativity about someone else that you consider to be near and dear to all of us. Problem is, your arguments just aren\'t holding water. It is like comparing apples to oranges.

Wrong, my friend. I don\'t mind folks complaining about Brooks.

What I have a problem with is misinformed opinions.

Like blaming Brooks for an offensive lineman jumping offsides.

Or, blaming Brooks for this TEAM\'S record!!

It\'s silly, foolish, foolhardy, take your pick!!

Say we would be better with another QB. I have no problem with that.

Say Brooks makes some stupid decisions. I have no problem with that!!

Say Brooks is causing us to not make the playoffs and I have a BIG problem with that.

So, while I am a Brooks fan. I\'m also not foolish enough to buy into some things shared by some Saints\' fans.

Somewhere around the age of 9 or 10 I came to understand that the players around the QB can cause a QB to look very good and sometimes very bad.

In Brooks case, it\'s always something every year that contributes to his lack of success.

You might not think so, but hopefully you know enough about the game of football to know better.

Brooks perfect? Far from it.

What would you say the reason that Deuce struggled mightily this year?

Oh, the offensive line and injuries. It works the same way for Qbs too.

Are we on the same page?

Probably not!!

spkb25 · 01-22-2005, 03:42 PM

well i look at it like this.
i concider this a team game and not a game defined by one position. but since that is what gumnut is doing ill lend my score card.

AB- one playoff appearance in relief effort. none as a starter. team has been 500 since
manning playoffs every year except his first season i believe
brady two sb
delhomme firs year starting go\'s to sb
and the list could continue and continue

spkb25 · 01-22-2005, 03:45 PM

yes gumbba but deuce didnt come out before the last game and a possible playoff birth to tell the rest of the saints how he is great and if the rest of the team would play great like him they could be better. all the while throwing the ball backwards.

GumboBC · 01-22-2005, 04:24 PM

well i look at it like this.
i concider this a team game and not a game defined by one position. but since that is what gumnut is doing ill lend my score card.

AB- one playoff appearance in relief effort. none as a starter. team has been 500 since
manning playoffs every year except his first season i believe
brady two sb
delhomme firs year starting go\'s to sb
and the list could continue and continue

Okay, we\'re getting nowhere here.

What does Delhomme have to do with Brooks and the Saints?

It\'s not relevant!!

Unless you believe Delhomme would have went to the super bowl regardless of what team he was on.

Kurt Warner went to 2-super bowls with the Rams. How many has he went to with the Giants?

Look, Brooks might not be the QB we need. But I don\'t see what point you\'re trying to make. Really, you make no point.

01-22-2005, 11:48 AM	#31
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Fran Tarketon, blah, blah, blah All of those guys have one thing over Peyton Mannng. And that is they actually got to the super bowl. What\'s more, those guys didn\'t CHOKE and get their teams sent home!! Y\'all keep wanting to talk about the great games Peyton has played. No arguement from me there, guys!! None at all. He\'s had a slew of extraordinary games. But, some guys aren\'t good when the stuff hits the fan. They simply don\'t react well in certain situations. In Peyton\'s case, it\'s playoff games. At some point, EVERY YEAR, Peyton has a God awful game in the playoffs. Let me repeat that. EVERY YEAR Peyton has a terrible game in the playoffs. I would give Peyton a pass if it wouldn\'t have happend 4 or 5 years in a row. But the FACT is, until he overcomes his poor play in the post season, there will be folks who thinks he is a choke artist. I don\'t see anyone other than Peyton Manning that threw all those ints in the playoffs every year. It wasn\'t Marvin Harrison or Edgerin James who threw them. Nope. It was Peyton. Sure, Peyton can silence all of his critics one day. But, today he is what he is. That\'s right... HE IS WHAT HE IS!!! And that is a great QB in the regular season who plays very badly in at least one playoff game EVERY year. Hey, it\'s not just me who\'s saying this about Peyton. It\'s in the national media guys. Now, we can sit here and say Peyton Manning is a VERY GOOD QB. And he is. However, he must overcome his problems in the playoffs before he can be considered great. It\'s one thing to lose a playoff game by getting outplayed. But, it\'s an entirely different matter when your QB (Peyton Manning) is largely responsible for getttig you sent home every year. You guys can sit here and toot Peyton Manning\'s horn all you want. But, it doesn\'t change a thing!!! Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc, ect... never had all the terrible games Peyton has had in the playoffs.
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01-22-2005, 12:04 PM	#32
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc, ect... never had all the terrible games Peyton has had in the playoffs. Again, Brett Favre is conspicuous by his absence in this discussion.

01-22-2005, 12:25 PM	#33
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc, ect... never had all the terrible games Peyton has had in the playoffs. Again, Brett Favre is conspicuous by his absence in this discussion. Favre is much like Peyton. He is a choke artist too. Only difference is Favre just hasn\'t done it EVERY year.
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01-22-2005, 12:58 PM	#34
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning Favre is much like Peyton. He is a choke artist too. Only difference is Favre just hasn\'t done it EVERY year. I\'m almost afraid to ask here, but who by your reckoning is a \"choke artist\"? Or is there a shorter list of \"non choke artists\"? But by all means, keep digging, this is getting truly entertaining.

01-22-2005, 01:15 PM	#35
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning BMG -- I know its killing your soul that I\'m downing Peyton. Along with a lot of other Peyton fans. But that\'s the way it is when you\'re a fan of a player. Take Aaron Brooks for example. I\'m a big fan of him. I don\'t particularly like hearing a lot of the unfair garbage I hear about him. But I hear it nonetheless. Over and over and over and over again!! Now back to your question.... I\'ll do you one better. Instead of listing all of the players that I consider to be choke artists. Let me \"define\" what my definition of choke artist is. Choke Artist -- A person that single handidly performs bad in certain situations. Peyton Manning -- Year after year after year he plays TERRIBLE in the playoffs. Solution -- Stop doing it. Stop throwing all those INTs in the playoffs. Oh, and, don\'t be so paranoid about the your past playoff history that you don\'t try to make plays and help your team win. Hell, I respected you more in those games that you threw the INTs. At least you were TRYING to win.
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01-22-2005, 03:05 PM	#36
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning At least Peyton is, in your words, \"choking\" in the playoffs...unlike someone else who chokes over and over long before the playoffs, thus, keeping us out of the playoffs. I would take the success of the Colts over the last four years over the mediocrity that we keep getting shoved down our throats. I know what your up to, though. You don\'t like people talking negative about your hero, AB, so you counter-punch with some negativity about someone else that you consider to be near and dear to all of us. Problem is, your arguments just aren\'t holding water. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
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01-22-2005, 03:21 PM	#37
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning At least Peyton is, in your words, \"choking\" in the playoffs...unlike someone else who chokes over and over long before the playoffs, thus, keeping us out of the playoffs. I would take the success of the Colts over the last four years over the mediocrity that we keep getting shoved down our throats. I know what your up to, though. You don\'t like people talking negative about your hero, AB, so you counter-punch with some negativity about someone else that you consider to be near and dear to all of us. Problem is, your arguments just aren\'t holding water. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Wrong, my friend. I don\'t mind folks complaining about Brooks. What I have a problem with is misinformed opinions. Like blaming Brooks for an offensive lineman jumping offsides. Or, blaming Brooks for this TEAM\'S record!! It\'s silly, foolish, foolhardy, take your pick!! Say we would be better with another QB. I have no problem with that. Say Brooks makes some stupid decisions. I have no problem with that!! Say Brooks is causing us to not make the playoffs and I have a BIG problem with that. So, while I am a Brooks fan. I\'m also not foolish enough to buy into some things shared by some Saints\' fans. Somewhere around the age of 9 or 10 I came to understand that the players around the QB can cause a QB to look very good and sometimes very bad. In Brooks case, it\'s always something every year that contributes to his lack of success. You might not think so, but hopefully you know enough about the game of football to know better. Brooks perfect? Far from it. What would you say the reason that Deuce struggled mightily this year? Oh, the offensive line and injuries. It works the same way for Qbs too. Are we on the same page? Probably not!!
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

01-22-2005, 03:42 PM	#38
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning well i look at it like this. i concider this a team game and not a game defined by one position. but since that is what gumnut is doing ill lend my score card. AB- one playoff appearance in relief effort. none as a starter. team has been 500 since manning playoffs every year except his first season i believe brady two sb delhomme firs year starting go\'s to sb and the list could continue and continue

01-22-2005, 03:45 PM	#39
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning yes gumbba but deuce didnt come out before the last game and a possible playoff birth to tell the rest of the saints how he is great and if the rest of the team would play great like him they could be better. all the while throwing the ball backwards.

01-22-2005, 04:24 PM	#40
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Dear Mr. Peyton Manning well i look at it like this. i concider this a team game and not a game defined by one position. but since that is what gumnut is doing ill lend my score card. AB- one playoff appearance in relief effort. none as a starter. team has been 500 since manning playoffs every year except his first season i believe brady two sb delhomme firs year starting go\'s to sb and the list could continue and continue Okay, we\'re getting nowhere here. What does Delhomme have to do with Brooks and the Saints? It\'s not relevant!! Unless you believe Delhomme would have went to the super bowl regardless of what team he was on. Kurt Warner went to 2-super bowls with the Rams. How many has he went to with the Giants? Look, Brooks might not be the QB we need. But I don\'t see what point you\'re trying to make. Really, you make no point.
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