Evolution of the black QB.

GumboBC · 01-20-2005, 02:04 PM

Looked at your QBs lately?

Vick, McNabb, Culpepper ... All 3 made it deep in the playofss and 2 will battle it out this weekend for a Super Bowl trip.

What do they have in common? They're all black and they all can RUN!!

There aren't but a handfull of black QBs in the NFL. Yet, they seem to be enjoying a lot of success percentage wise when compared to their white counterparts.

Steve McNair was hurt most of this year.. If not, he would have probably taken his team deep in the playoffs like usual.

I believe as the game progresses we will have a majority of black QBs in the league. Why? Because they add another element to the game, which is.... RUNNING.

As defenses have gotten better at sacking the QB, there is a greater need for a QB who can run.

Hey, that might explain why Vick and McNabb are playing in the NFC title game.

QBs who can run eliminates the need for a great supporting cast because they can make plays on their own.

Most of the time the game comes down to one or two critical plays.

Real quick... It's 4th and 10 with 1-minute to play. Who do you want. Mike Vick or Peyton Manning?? Don't forget about the heavy blitz!!

Good Day ;)

Danno · 01-20-2005, 02:44 PM

2003-Tom Brady over Delhomme, neither was a runner
2002-Brad Johnson over Gannon, neither was a runner
2001-Tom Brady over Warner, neither was a runner
2000-Dilfer over Collins, neither was a runner
1999-Warner over McNair, The runner lost
1998-Elway over Chandler, Neither was a runner anymore
1997-Elway over Favre, neither was a runner anymore
1996-Favre over Bledsoe, neither was a runner
1995-Aikman over O\'donnell, neither was a runner
1994-Young over Humphries, Young was a great runner
1993-Aikman over Kelly, neither was a runner
1992-Aikman over Kelly, neither was a runner

So out of the last 24 QB\'s to appear in the last 12 superbowls there were 2 running QB\'s, 1 won and 1 lost. And the one who won was white.

It has nothing to do with race and running.

FrenzyFan · 01-20-2005, 04:05 PM

Running QBs are nothing new to the NFL. There have been some phenomenal scramblers (Fran Tarkenton leaps to mind) and through his elusiveness and athelticism was often able to turn nothing in to something. I\'d call him the greatest scrambling QB ever to play the game, including Mike Vick. Vick may take that title at some future point, but I\'ll withhold that honor until he earns it.

None of that takes away from Danno\'s point that a running QB hasn\'t been the answer to championship teams.

Smart consistent football seems to me to be the common denominator in D\'s example. I don\'t think Culpepper and McNabb are great because they are black or they are great runners. I think they are great because their play is becoming more smart and consistent every single year. I also believe that that trend will lend itself to any QB who continually improves his game, be he white or black - runner or club-foot.

Just my two cents.

dberce1 · 01-20-2005, 04:39 PM

Randall Cunningham, he was another great runner. Was one of my alltime fav\'s as a kid.

Warren Moon, black QB, couldn\'t run a lick, but damn he threw one of the prettiest balls around. Another alltime fav.

Danno · 01-20-2005, 04:58 PM

Randall Cunningham, he was another great runner. Was one of my alltime fav\'s as a kid.

Warren Moon, black QB, couldn\'t run a lick, but damn he threw one of the prettiest balls around. Another alltime fav.

Warren Moon, I lived in Houston when he was there and saw him live several times.
When a WR did break free behind the secondary, he rarely missed it.
If you\'ve ever seen Moon read a defense from the nosebleeds it is an awesome experience. He too was one of my all time favorites. BEAUTIFUL deep ball.

Saint_LB · 01-20-2005, 08:13 PM

Aaron Brooks...running QB. How many Superbowls for him? Oh, wait...I guess running backwards or throwing backwards doesn\'t count.

Your thread about Black QB\'s brings to mind a Black QB that won a Superbowl. Doug Williams was his name. One time I was standing in a parking lot of a hotel, and Williams was out there with a football. He cocked his arm and threw a missile to the balcony of a room on the 8th floor. I couldn\'t believe what my eyes just saw, and I said, \"Man, what a throw!!\"
The guy next to me said, \"Yeah, but he was throwing it to the guy on the second floor!\"

CheramieIII · 01-21-2005, 12:16 AM

Don\'t want to get anything started but since the subject has already been mentioned. How many Black or running QB\'s have won a Superbowl? I don\'t care if you make it to the NFC Championship every year, you won\'t be a great one unless you at least make it to the bowl.

spkb25 · 01-21-2005, 10:07 AM

i always go back to the fact that this is a team game and not defined by one position. but i think that black qb\'s are enjoying more success because its an evolutionb of society. i dont think that being an athlete has anything to do with color. more likely has a lot to do qwith your environment. i think you will see more black qb\'s because it is a natural progression. i think that everything in society is moving more towards a blending of the races into what may have been concidered only for blacks or only for whites. im sure in the next 100 years we will see more black hockey players also. its just a natural progression. with mcnabb if you look at the organazation he plays for it is one of the more successful orgs. so he is an equal product of the org. put him on the browns and he isnt seen as good. during the vikes game he reminded me of the mcnabb of last year. a good qb but not the one when he had owens.

baronm · 01-21-2005, 10:48 AM

black/white-doesn\'t mattter--if the quarterback is not a good decision maker and can\'t pass he will not be a good quarter back.

Danno · 01-21-2005, 11:09 AM

QB Hierarchy
Bad passer/Bad runner - Very bad
Bad Passer/Good runner - Bad
Good Passer/Bad Runner - Good
Good Passer/Good Runner - Best

Steve Young was a perfect QB for today\'s offenses.

White-Doesn\'t matter
Black-Doesn\'t matter

01-20-2005, 02:04 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Evolution of the black QB. Looked at your QBs lately? Vick, McNabb, Culpepper ... All 3 made it deep in the playofss and 2 will battle it out this weekend for a Super Bowl trip. What do they have in common? They're all black and they all can RUN!! There aren't but a handfull of black QBs in the NFL. Yet, they seem to be enjoying a lot of success percentage wise when compared to their white counterparts. Steve McNair was hurt most of this year.. If not, he would have probably taken his team deep in the playoffs like usual. I believe as the game progresses we will have a majority of black QBs in the league. Why? Because they add another element to the game, which is.... RUNNING. As defenses have gotten better at sacking the QB, there is a greater need for a QB who can run. Hey, that might explain why Vick and McNabb are playing in the NFC title game. QBs who can run eliminates the need for a great supporting cast because they can make plays on their own. Most of the time the game comes down to one or two critical plays. Real quick... It's 4th and 10 with 1-minute to play. Who do you want. Mike Vick or Peyton Manning?? Don't forget about the heavy blitz!! Good Day ;)
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01-20-2005, 02:44 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Evolution of the black QB. 2003-Tom Brady over Delhomme, neither was a runner 2002-Brad Johnson over Gannon, neither was a runner 2001-Tom Brady over Warner, neither was a runner 2000-Dilfer over Collins, neither was a runner 1999-Warner over McNair, The runner lost 1998-Elway over Chandler, Neither was a runner anymore 1997-Elway over Favre, neither was a runner anymore 1996-Favre over Bledsoe, neither was a runner 1995-Aikman over O\'donnell, neither was a runner 1994-Young over Humphries, Young was a great runner 1993-Aikman over Kelly, neither was a runner 1992-Aikman over Kelly, neither was a runner So out of the last 24 QB\'s to appear in the last 12 superbowls there were 2 running QB\'s, 1 won and 1 lost. And the one who won was white. It has nothing to do with race and running.

01-20-2005, 04:05 PM	#3
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Evolution of the black QB. Running QBs are nothing new to the NFL. There have been some phenomenal scramblers (Fran Tarkenton leaps to mind) and through his elusiveness and athelticism was often able to turn nothing in to something. I\'d call him the greatest scrambling QB ever to play the game, including Mike Vick. Vick may take that title at some future point, but I\'ll withhold that honor until he earns it. None of that takes away from Danno\'s point that a running QB hasn\'t been the answer to championship teams. Smart consistent football seems to me to be the common denominator in D\'s example. I don\'t think Culpepper and McNabb are great because they are black or they are great runners. I think they are great because their play is becoming more smart and consistent every single year. I also believe that that trend will lend itself to any QB who continually improves his game, be he white or black - runner or club-foot. Just my two cents.
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01-20-2005, 04:39 PM	#4
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	Evolution of the black QB. Randall Cunningham, he was another great runner. Was one of my alltime fav\'s as a kid. Warren Moon, black QB, couldn\'t run a lick, but damn he threw one of the prettiest balls around. Another alltime fav.

01-20-2005, 04:58 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Evolution of the black QB. Randall Cunningham, he was another great runner. Was one of my alltime fav\'s as a kid. Warren Moon, black QB, couldn\'t run a lick, but damn he threw one of the prettiest balls around. Another alltime fav. Warren Moon, I lived in Houston when he was there and saw him live several times. When a WR did break free behind the secondary, he rarely missed it. If you\'ve ever seen Moon read a defense from the nosebleeds it is an awesome experience. He too was one of my all time favorites. BEAUTIFUL deep ball.

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Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Evolution of the black QB. Aaron Brooks...running QB. How many Superbowls for him? Oh, wait...I guess running backwards or throwing backwards doesn\'t count. Your thread about Black QB\'s brings to mind a Black QB that won a Superbowl. Doug Williams was his name. One time I was standing in a parking lot of a hotel, and Williams was out there with a football. He cocked his arm and threw a missile to the balcony of a room on the 8th floor. I couldn\'t believe what my eyes just saw, and I said, \"Man, what a throw!!\" The guy next to me said, \"Yeah, but he was throwing it to the guy on the second floor!\"
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01-21-2005, 12:16 AM	#7
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01-21-2005, 10:07 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Evolution of the black QB. i always go back to the fact that this is a team game and not defined by one position. but i think that black qb\'s are enjoying more success because its an evolutionb of society. i dont think that being an athlete has anything to do with color. more likely has a lot to do qwith your environment. i think you will see more black qb\'s because it is a natural progression. i think that everything in society is moving more towards a blending of the races into what may have been concidered only for blacks or only for whites. im sure in the next 100 years we will see more black hockey players also. its just a natural progression. with mcnabb if you look at the organazation he plays for it is one of the more successful orgs. so he is an equal product of the org. put him on the browns and he isnt seen as good. during the vikes game he reminded me of the mcnabb of last year. a good qb but not the one when he had owens.
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01-21-2005, 10:48 AM	#9
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Evolution of the black QB. black/white-doesn\'t mattter--if the quarterback is not a good decision maker and can\'t pass he will not be a good quarter back.
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01-21-2005, 11:09 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Evolution of the black QB. QB Hierarchy Bad passer/Bad runner - Very bad Bad Passer/Good runner - Bad Good Passer/Bad Runner - Good Good Passer/Good Runner - Best Steve Young was a perfect QB for today\'s offenses. White-Doesn\'t matter Black-Doesn\'t matter