David Hawthorne

Rugby Saint II · 03-22-2015, 02:48 PM

Draft well and he automatically becomes the backup. It seems simple to me. But, hey what do I know?

VegasSaint9 · 03-22-2015, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Hawthorn is better suited to play inside in a 3-4 D. I totally agree he stinks playing a 4-3. As far as Perryman, I'm all in on him, he reminds me of Sam Mills to a tee ,in a 3-4 set he will be a stud,not having to cover as much ground as in a 4-3 he gets off blocks well and puts people in the ground and able to blitz at any time on the inside is a plus.

We play a lot of 4-3 for being a "3-4" team.

halloween 65 · 03-22-2015, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

We play a lot of 4-3 for being a "3-4" team.

We have been just about all of a 4-3 set for many years. I would like to see( drafting, FA brought in) to run a true 3-4 D. We have no identity on the D. To many sqare pegs trying to fit in round holes. This has caused pi$$ poor play out of our D. Some players just don't fit certain sets.

blackangold · 03-23-2015, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Humber probably, but that's a gross inaccuracy about Lofton. Lofton had nearly twice as many tackles. Lofton is bad in pass coverage and Hawthorne is a little better there. I am hoping you are right about Ellerbe and us drafting a starter because I can't see Hawthorne starting again.

Lofton was the worst ILB in the NFL last year; not my assumption, that's according to PFF.

Hawthorne was the best ILB we had.

Humber only rated slightly better than Lofton, but not by much.

mighty12 · 03-23-2015, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Lofton was the worst ILB in the NFL last year; not my assumption, that's according to PFF.

Hawthorne was the best ILB we had.

Humber only rated slightly better than Lofton, but not by much.

Do you have a link that shows PFF rated Lofton 60 out of 60 in the ILB?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...curtis-lofton/

Because the way I read this, he was 56 out of 60, which I admit isn't that great and probably stems from his liability in the passing game and 22 missed tackles, but he did have 145 tackles so he was in on a lot of plays.

Now I am not defending Lofton. I am glad he is moving on, because he didn't seem smart enough to play the position the way RR was trying to run things. What I am saying is Hawthorne is just as bad as Lofton and both should be out. Also, strangely enough since you brought up PFF, they rate Hawthorne as an OLB so my statement that Hawthorne is the worst ILB may hold true since he doesn't even rate at the position.

halloween 65 · 03-23-2015, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by mighty12

Do you have a link that shows PFF rated Lofton 60 out of 60 in the ILB?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...curtis-lofton/

Because the way I read this, he was 56 out of 60, which I admit isn't that great and probably stems from his liability in the passing game and 22 missed tackles, but he did have 145 tackles so he was in on a lot of plays.

Now I am not defending Lofton. I am glad he is moving on, because he didn't seem smart enough to play the position the way RR was trying to run things. What I am saying is Hawthorne is just as bad as Lofton and both should be out. Also, strangely enough since you brought up PFF, they rate Hawthorne as an OLB so my statement that Hawthorne is the worst ILB may hold true since he doesn't even rate at the position.

In a 4-3 set Lofton was MLB and Hawthorn OLB, JR was was a DE. Hawthorn has been cast wrong since he has been on this D.

Budsdrinker · 03-23-2015, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

Hawethorne came on in the end of the season. In the last couple games he actually looked great.

I would agree. First half of the season I was ready to cut him but he played well
the last 4 games.

spkb25 · 03-23-2015, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I would agree. First half of the season I was ready to cut him but he played well
the last 4 games.

So what you're saying to me is he pulled the mother Frigan Haslett, good at either the first four games of the season or last four, but never both

03-22-2015, 02:48 PM	#31
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: David Hawthorne Draft well and he automatically becomes the backup. It seems simple to me. But, hey what do I know?

03-22-2015, 05:02 PM	#32
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by halloween 65 Hawthorn is better suited to play inside in a 3-4 D. I totally agree he stinks playing a 4-3. As far as Perryman, I'm all in on him, he reminds me of Sam Mills to a tee ,in a 3-4 set he will be a stud,not having to cover as much ground as in a 4-3 he gets off blocks well and puts people in the ground and able to blitz at any time on the inside is a plus. We play a lot of 4-3 for being a "3-4" team. Danno likes this.

03-22-2015, 07:51 PM	#33
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 We play a lot of 4-3 for being a "3-4" team. We have been just about all of a 4-3 set for many years. I would like to see( drafting, FA brought in) to run a true 3-4 D. We have no identity on the D. To many sqare pegs trying to fit in round holes. This has caused pi$$ poor play out of our D. Some players just don't fit certain sets.

03-23-2015, 12:13 AM	#34
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by spkb25 Humber probably, but that's a gross inaccuracy about Lofton. Lofton had nearly twice as many tackles. Lofton is bad in pass coverage and Hawthorne is a little better there. I am hoping you are right about Ellerbe and us drafting a starter because I can't see Hawthorne starting again. Lofton was the worst ILB in the NFL last year; not my assumption, that's according to PFF. Hawthorne was the best ILB we had. Humber only rated slightly better than Lofton, but not by much.

03-23-2015, 04:13 AM	#35
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by blackangold Lofton was the worst ILB in the NFL last year; not my assumption, that's according to PFF. Hawthorne was the best ILB we had. Humber only rated slightly better than Lofton, but not by much. Do you have a link that shows PFF rated Lofton 60 out of 60 in the ILB? https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...curtis-lofton/ Because the way I read this, he was 56 out of 60, which I admit isn't that great and probably stems from his liability in the passing game and 22 missed tackles, but he did have 145 tackles so he was in on a lot of plays. Now I am not defending Lofton. I am glad he is moving on, because he didn't seem smart enough to play the position the way RR was trying to run things. What I am saying is Hawthorne is just as bad as Lofton and both should be out. Also, strangely enough since you brought up PFF, they rate Hawthorne as an OLB so my statement that Hawthorne is the worst ILB may hold true since he doesn't even rate at the position.

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03-23-2015, 06:05 AM	#36
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by mighty12 Do you have a link that shows PFF rated Lofton 60 out of 60 in the ILB? https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...curtis-lofton/ Because the way I read this, he was 56 out of 60, which I admit isn't that great and probably stems from his liability in the passing game and 22 missed tackles, but he did have 145 tackles so he was in on a lot of plays. Now I am not defending Lofton. I am glad he is moving on, because he didn't seem smart enough to play the position the way RR was trying to run things. What I am saying is Hawthorne is just as bad as Lofton and both should be out. Also, strangely enough since you brought up PFF, they rate Hawthorne as an OLB so my statement that Hawthorne is the worst ILB may hold true since he doesn't even rate at the position. In a 4-3 set Lofton was MLB and Hawthorn OLB, JR was was a DE. Hawthorn has been cast wrong since he has been on this D. Danno and brees84 like this.

03-23-2015, 10:09 AM	#37
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by billyt81 Hawethorne came on in the end of the season. In the last couple games he actually looked great. I would agree. First half of the season I was ready to cut him but he played well the last 4 games.

03-23-2015, 12:17 PM	#38
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: David Hawthorne Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I would agree. First half of the season I was ready to cut him but he played well the last 4 games. So what you're saying to me is he pulled the mother Frigan Haslett, good at either the first four games of the season or last four, but never both

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