After 2014, Brees should be traded

arsaint · 04-01-2015, 02:16 PM

He finished with a 97.0 QB rating after all.

Do you know just how bad that is compared with previous Saints QBs and their best efforts in the black & gold???

Billy Kilmer 74.9 in 1969
Archie Manning 81.8 in 1980
Ken Stabler 71.8 in 1981
Dave Wilson 83.9 in 1984
Bobby Hebert 82.9 in 1987 and 1992
Wade Wilson 87.2 in 1994
Jim "Chris" Everett 87.0 in 1995
Mike Ditka's QB cluster 83.5 (Tolliver) in 1998
Aaron Brooks 88.8 in 2003

Yep, it's painfully obvious that we would be smart to dump Brees and go back to our normal QB carousel...

Audiotom · 04-01-2015, 02:40 PM

lead the league in yards and bone headed ints

as you led the charge in euro 1/4s

arsaint · 04-01-2015, 03:04 PM

Usually helps not to have an O line that's getting manhandled up the middle, too. That cuts down typically on boneheaded INTs.

Thanks but Drew gives us a better chance to win than ANYONE in the draft and a better chance to win than you would have with at least 27 of the other 31 current NFL starters.

Euphoria · 04-01-2015, 03:27 PM

There is valid argument on both side of where you stand on the issue.

Trade him now while he has some now... don't trade him because he did this and did that.

I don't know if many people have been paying attention but we are rebuilding. Sure we can ride this pony until he has nothing left but we need to worry about the next 10 years as well. If you check the roster there isn't anyone on it that will replace him.

I don't see a right or wrong answer to the debate.

burningmetal · 04-01-2015, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

He finished with a 97.0 QB rating after all.

Do you know just how bad that is compared with previous Saints QBs and their best efforts in the black & gold???

Billy Kilmer 74.9 in 1969
Archie Manning 81.8 in 1980
Ken Stabler 71.8 in 1981
Dave Wilson 83.9 in 1984
Bobby Hebert 82.9 in 1987 and 1992
Wade Wilson 87.2 in 1994
Jim "Chris" Everett 87.0 in 1995
Mike Ditka's QB cluster 83.5 (Tolliver) in 1998
Aaron Brooks 88.8 in 2003

Yep, it's painfully obvious that we would be smart to dump Brees and go back to our normal QB carousel...

Dude, very few actually believe he'll be traded, but I'm personally tired of hearing the arguments against it. Comparing old Saints QB's to Drew, or any current starting quarterback in the league is utterly pointless. The game is completely tailored for the passing game now. If your rating is anywhere below 85 today, you pretty much suck.

When you throw as much as we do, you get yards which equates to higher QB ratings, but you also are prone to turn it over, and the rating system doesn't penalize near enough on turnovers. Drew used to be a lot more efficient, but now he gets a lot more garbage yards that skew his stats, it seems. He can still be elite at times, and there is currently no answer to replace him. So I'm not saying to get rid of him, I'm merely stating what I see.

As for the offensive line, some people don't like to hear this but as it's been said before, Drew's contract has a lot to do with the patchwork O-line. That's why you at least entertain the idea of trading him, if you believe you've got an adequate QB to step in. Brees is not God, he is not the untouchable force that some want to think he is. Maybe he restuctures, maybe he takes a pay cut. Who knows. I doubt he is ever traded, but he won't be here forever. What will we do when his contract is up or he retires? Who knows who will be available when that time comes, so do we just let him walk, or do we get something back? We'll find out one day, but in the mean time don't be so dismissive of the idea.

I am, however, critical of the "reports" that keep coming out about him being shopped. Of course the Saints will listen to offers, but there is nothing substantial going on to warrant a story.

Rell&Gold · 04-04-2015, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Dude, very few actually believe he'll be traded, but I'm personally tired of hearing the arguments against it. Comparing old Saints QB's to Drew, or any current starting quarterback in the league is utterly pointless. The game is completely tailored for the passing game now. If your rating is anywhere below 85 today, you pretty much suck.

When you throw as much as we do, you get yards which equates to higher QB ratings, but you also are prone to turn it over, and the rating system doesn't penalize near enough on turnovers. Drew used to be a lot more efficient, but now he gets a lot more garbage yards that skew his stats, it seems. He can still be elite at times, and there is currently no answer to replace him. So I'm not saying to get rid of him, I'm merely stating what I see.

As for the offensive line, some people don't like to hear this but as it's been said before, Drew's contract has a lot to do with the patchwork O-line. That's why you at least entertain the idea of trading him, if you believe you've got an adequate QB to step in. Brees is not God, he is not the untouchable force that some want to think he is. Maybe he restuctures, maybe he takes a pay cut. Who knows. I doubt he is ever traded, but he won't be here forever. What will we do when his contract is up or he retires? Who knows who will be available when that time comes, so do we just let him walk, or do we get something back? We'll find out one day, but in the mean time don't be so dismissive of the idea.

I am, however, critical of the "reports" that keep coming out about him being shopped. Of course the Saints will listen to offers, but there is nothing substantial going on to warrant a story.

Garbage yards skew his stats? WHAAA, 4952 yards a lot of trash there He can be elite at times, everyone has a bad game

Rell&Gold · 04-04-2015, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Dude, very few actually believe he'll be traded, but I'm personally tired of hearing the arguments against it. Comparing old Saints QB's to Drew, or any current starting quarterback in the league is utterly pointless. The game is completely tailored for the passing game now. If your rating is anywhere below 85 today, you pretty much suck.

When you throw as much as we do, you get yards which equates to higher QB ratings, but you also are prone to turn it over, and the rating system doesn't penalize near enough on turnovers. Drew used to be a lot more efficient, but now he gets a lot more garbage yards that skew his stats, it seems. He can still be elite at times, and there is currently no answer to replace him. So I'm not saying to get rid of him, I'm merely stating what I see.

As for the offensive line, some people don't like to hear this but as it's been said before, Drew's contract has a lot to do with the patchwork O-line. That's why you at least entertain the idea of trading him, if you believe you've got an adequate QB to step in. Brees is not God, he is not the untouchable force that some want to think he is. Maybe he restuctures, maybe he takes a pay cut. Who knows. I doubt he is ever traded, but he won't be here forever. What will we do when his contract is up or he retires? Who knows who will be available when that time comes, so do we just let him walk, or do we get something back? We'll find out one day, but in the mean time don't be so dismissive of the idea.

I am, however, critical of the "reports" that keep coming out about him being shopped. Of course the Saints will listen to offers, but there is nothing substantial going on to warrant a story.

Ludachris!

saintsfan1976 · 04-01-2015, 04:52 PM

Wow. Seriously shaking my head...

Let's see what happens behind a solid O line before we go trading our best asset.

burningmetal · 04-01-2015, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Wow. Seriously shaking my head...

Let's see what happens behind a solid O line before we go trading our best asset.

Who said we were trading him? Other than the original post which was clearly sarcasm.

SmashMouth · 04-01-2015, 04:53 PM

04-01-2015, 02:16 PM	#1
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	After 2014, Brees should be traded He finished with a 97.0 QB rating after all. Do you know just how bad that is compared with previous Saints QBs and their best efforts in the black & gold??? Billy Kilmer 74.9 in 1969 Archie Manning 81.8 in 1980 Ken Stabler 71.8 in 1981 Dave Wilson 83.9 in 1984 Bobby Hebert 82.9 in 1987 and 1992 Wade Wilson 87.2 in 1994 Jim "Chris" Everett 87.0 in 1995 Mike Ditka's QB cluster 83.5 (Tolliver) in 1998 Aaron Brooks 88.8 in 2003 Yep, it's painfully obvious that we would be smart to dump Brees and go back to our normal QB carousel... foreverfan, QBREES9, Beastmode and 1 others like this.

04-01-2015, 02:40 PM	#2
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded lead the league in yards and bone headed ints as you led the charge in euro 1/4s Mr Magic likes this.

04-01-2015, 03:04 PM	#3
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded Usually helps not to have an O line that's getting manhandled up the middle, too. That cuts down typically on boneheaded INTs. Thanks but Drew gives us a better chance to win than ANYONE in the draft and a better chance to win than you would have with at least 27 of the other 31 current NFL starters. foreverfan likes this.

04-01-2015, 03:27 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded There is valid argument on both side of where you stand on the issue. Trade him now while he has some now... don't trade him because he did this and did that. I don't know if many people have been paying attention but we are rebuilding. Sure we can ride this pony until he has nothing left but we need to worry about the next 10 years as well. If you check the roster there isn't anyone on it that will replace him. I don't see a right or wrong answer to the debate. jeanpierre likes this.

04-01-2015, 03:28 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded Originally Posted by arsaint He finished with a 97.0 QB rating after all. Do you know just how bad that is compared with previous Saints QBs and their best efforts in the black & gold??? Billy Kilmer 74.9 in 1969 Archie Manning 81.8 in 1980 Ken Stabler 71.8 in 1981 Dave Wilson 83.9 in 1984 Bobby Hebert 82.9 in 1987 and 1992 Wade Wilson 87.2 in 1994 Jim "Chris" Everett 87.0 in 1995 Mike Ditka's QB cluster 83.5 (Tolliver) in 1998 Aaron Brooks 88.8 in 2003 Yep, it's painfully obvious that we would be smart to dump Brees and go back to our normal QB carousel... Dude, very few actually believe he'll be traded, but I'm personally tired of hearing the arguments against it. Comparing old Saints QB's to Drew, or any current starting quarterback in the league is utterly pointless. The game is completely tailored for the passing game now. If your rating is anywhere below 85 today, you pretty much suck. When you throw as much as we do, you get yards which equates to higher QB ratings, but you also are prone to turn it over, and the rating system doesn't penalize near enough on turnovers. Drew used to be a lot more efficient, but now he gets a lot more garbage yards that skew his stats, it seems. He can still be elite at times, and there is currently no answer to replace him. So I'm not saying to get rid of him, I'm merely stating what I see. As for the offensive line, some people don't like to hear this but as it's been said before, Drew's contract has a lot to do with the patchwork O-line. That's why you at least entertain the idea of trading him, if you believe you've got an adequate QB to step in. Brees is not God, he is not the untouchable force that some want to think he is. Maybe he restuctures, maybe he takes a pay cut. Who knows. I doubt he is ever traded, but he won't be here forever. What will we do when his contract is up or he retires? Who knows who will be available when that time comes, so do we just let him walk, or do we get something back? We'll find out one day, but in the mean time don't be so dismissive of the idea. I am, however, critical of the "reports" that keep coming out about him being shopped. Of course the Saints will listen to offers, but there is nothing substantial going on to warrant a story.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-04-2015, 01:58 PM	#6
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded Originally Posted by burningmetal Dude, very few actually believe he'll be traded, but I'm personally tired of hearing the arguments against it. Comparing old Saints QB's to Drew, or any current starting quarterback in the league is utterly pointless. The game is completely tailored for the passing game now. If your rating is anywhere below 85 today, you pretty much suck. When you throw as much as we do, you get yards which equates to higher QB ratings, but you also are prone to turn it over, and the rating system doesn't penalize near enough on turnovers. Drew used to be a lot more efficient, but now he gets a lot more garbage yards that skew his stats, it seems. He can still be elite at times, and there is currently no answer to replace him. So I'm not saying to get rid of him, I'm merely stating what I see. As for the offensive line, some people don't like to hear this but as it's been said before, Drew's contract has a lot to do with the patchwork O-line. That's why you at least entertain the idea of trading him, if you believe you've got an adequate QB to step in. Brees is not God, he is not the untouchable force that some want to think he is. Maybe he restuctures, maybe he takes a pay cut. Who knows. I doubt he is ever traded, but he won't be here forever. What will we do when his contract is up or he retires? Who knows who will be available when that time comes, so do we just let him walk, or do we get something back? We'll find out one day, but in the mean time don't be so dismissive of the idea. I am, however, critical of the "reports" that keep coming out about him being shopped. Of course the Saints will listen to offers, but there is nothing substantial going on to warrant a story. Garbage yards skew his stats? WHAAA, 4952 yards a lot of trash there He can be elite at times, everyone has a bad game

04-04-2015, 02:00 PM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded Originally Posted by burningmetal Dude, very few actually believe he'll be traded, but I'm personally tired of hearing the arguments against it. Comparing old Saints QB's to Drew, or any current starting quarterback in the league is utterly pointless. The game is completely tailored for the passing game now. If your rating is anywhere below 85 today, you pretty much suck. When you throw as much as we do, you get yards which equates to higher QB ratings, but you also are prone to turn it over, and the rating system doesn't penalize near enough on turnovers. Drew used to be a lot more efficient, but now he gets a lot more garbage yards that skew his stats, it seems. He can still be elite at times, and there is currently no answer to replace him. So I'm not saying to get rid of him, I'm merely stating what I see. As for the offensive line, some people don't like to hear this but as it's been said before, Drew's contract has a lot to do with the patchwork O-line. That's why you at least entertain the idea of trading him, if you believe you've got an adequate QB to step in. Brees is not God, he is not the untouchable force that some want to think he is. Maybe he restuctures, maybe he takes a pay cut. Who knows. I doubt he is ever traded, but he won't be here forever. What will we do when his contract is up or he retires? Who knows who will be available when that time comes, so do we just let him walk, or do we get something back? We'll find out one day, but in the mean time don't be so dismissive of the idea. I am, however, critical of the "reports" that keep coming out about him being shopped. Of course the Saints will listen to offers, but there is nothing substantial going on to warrant a story. Ludachris!

04-01-2015, 04:52 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded Wow. Seriously shaking my head... Let's see what happens behind a solid O line before we go trading our best asset. Halo, foreverfan, \|Mitch\| and 1 others like this.

04-01-2015, 07:44 PM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: After 2014, Brees should be traded Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Wow. Seriously shaking my head... Let's see what happens behind a solid O line before we go trading our best asset. Who said we were trading him? Other than the original post which was clearly sarcasm.

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