New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

04-11-2015, 11:18 PM

The more I think, the more this year seems like 2006. Over the past two seasons we've cleaned house (and may not be done).

IMO, we keep as many of the picks that aren't involved in at least one trade.

We need em.

halloween 65 · 04-12-2015, 08:05 AM

Trading back out of 13 to the early to mid 20's makes alot of sense,if Sheldon or Sheriff are there those have to be taken, with Sheriff being taken over Sheldon only because it fortifies our O-line. Our D is a work in progress but progressing.

voodooido · 04-12-2015, 08:33 AM

Not a fan of Dupree at all. Disappeared at times last season. LSU put up right at 50 against Kentucky last year and lets face it, LSU did not have a overwhelming offense.

hagan714 · 04-12-2015, 09:37 AM

If the solid players are off the board and the word upside is involved with any of the picks i say trade out and and again spread out this bonanza of picks into 2016.

move down in one and pick up a first in 2016 or a second, is a solid move.
move out of 31 and pick up a 1st in 2016 is a solid move.

do both and i would say the saints have a game plan in 2016.

1 first, 2 seconds and 2 thirds would be sweet also. and sleeping a night with 2 1st and a 2 seconds in 2016 would be ideal in my book.

must at least get that second 1st in 2016 to make it all worth while.

One draft is not going to fill all the holes. The holes we can fill in this draft based on needs is here in the draft and can be addressed from round 2 on.

I like the top 10 or so in this this draft. i just see a hug drop of from there. at 13 i think we will need some divine intervention to get one of the top players to drop in our lapse. i swear it is like the entire second round in a typical draft is in the last half of the first this year. there is just a void from say 12 to say 24 talent wise. so close yet so far away.

to get an honest shot at a player we could use, we need to start look at chicago on down for trading partners. I for one say we need to many players depth wise to waste the picks moving up without trading a players also.

I agree with Seattle there are not enough true first round talents in this years draft. I would have made the Jimmy trade also based on that.

But the quality of players from round 1 on is very solid.

halloween 65 · 04-13-2015, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

If the solid players are off the board and the word upside is involved with any of the picks i say trade out and and again spread out this bonanza of picks into 2016.

move down in one and pick up a first in 2016 or a second, is a solid move.
move out of 31 and pick up a 1st in 2016 is a solid move.

do both and i would say the saints have a game plan in 2016.

1 first, 2 seconds and 2 thirds would be sweet also. and sleeping a night with 2 1st and a 2 seconds in 2016 would be ideal in my book.

must at least get that second 1st in 2016 to make it all worth while.

One draft is not going to fill all the holes. The holes we can fill in this draft based on needs is here in the draft and can be addressed from round 2 on.

I like the top 10 or so in this this draft. i just see a hug drop of from there. at 13 i think we will need some divine intervention to get one of the top players to drop in our lapse. i swear it is like the entire second round in a typical draft is in the last half of the first this year. there is just a void from say 12 to say 24 talent wise. so close yet so far away.

to get an honest shot at a player we could use, we need to start look at chicago on down for trading partners. I for one say we need to many players depth wise to waste the picks moving up without trading a players also.

I agree with Seattle there are not enough true first round talents in this years draft. I would have made the Jimmy trade also based on that.

But the quality of players from round 1 on is very solid.

The key word to me here is solid. By building a solid foundation in this draft you could roll the dice on a player(sexy pick, I hate those words) next season or keep drafting solid picks. I'm all about a solid built teams, more consistancy and hard as he!! to beat. Play-action with the O and in the low to mid teens on the D I think will get us back to where we need to get back to, winning.

st thomas · 04-13-2015, 07:36 PM

I would never ever trade up at 13 unless its for a fortified starter on either side of the ball, besides kickers or russel errsedlavin . still embarrassed with that foolish pick.

spkb25 · 04-13-2015, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I don't like jumping that far unless it's a game changing skill position player.

Just my own preference.

Is Beasley THAT much of a difference maker or a shiny college player? I'm not sure.

id rather get to 6 or 7 and select scherff. he wont make it past 10

RaginCajun83 · 04-13-2015, 09:59 PM

13th Pick in Round of NFL Draft 1994 to 2015

Year Name Team
2014 Aaron Donald Rams
2013 Sheldon Richardson Jets
2012 Michael Floyd Cardinals
2011 Nick Fairley Lions
2010 Brandon Graham Eagles
2009 Brian Orakpo Redskins
2008 Jonathan Stewart Panthers
2007 Adam Carriker Rams
2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns
2005 Jammal Brown Saints
2004 Lee Evans Bills
2003 Ty Warren Patriots
2002 Donte' Stallworth Saints
2001 Marcus Stroud Jaguars
2000 John Abraham Jets
1999 Troy Edwards Steelers
1998 Takeo Spikes Bengals
1997 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs
1996 Walt Harris Bears
1995 Mark Fields Saints
1994 Joe Johnson Saints

now tell me again why the Saints should trade out of pick #13? I only see 4/5 players on that list that at the time they were drafted wouldn't of helped the Saints if they had the chance to draft them in the year they were selected

spkb25 · 04-14-2015, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

13th Pick in Round of NFL Draft 1994 to 2015

Year Name Team
2014 Aaron Donald Rams
2013 Sheldon Richardson Jets
2012 Michael Floyd Cardinals
2011 Nick Fairley Lions
2010 Brandon Graham Eagles
2009 Brian Orakpo Redskins
2008 Jonathan Stewart Panthers
2007 Adam Carriker Rams
2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns
2005 Jammal Brown Saints
2004 Lee Evans Bills
2003 Ty Warren Patriots
2002 Donte' Stallworth Saints
2001 Marcus Stroud Jaguars
2000 John Abraham Jets
1999 Troy Edwards Steelers
1998 Takeo Spikes Bengals
1997 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs
1996 Walt Harris Bears
1995 Mark Fields Saints
1994 Joe Johnson Saints

now tell me again why the Saints should trade out of pick #13? I only see 4/5 players on that list that at the time they were drafted wouldn't of helped the Saints if they had the chance to draft them in the year they were selected

no doubt and we ended up with some really good players too, but I think every draft is different, and I am only saying we should move up if there is a specific player we are looking at that we think is game changer this year. Plus, because we have the extra 3rd and extra first this year, to me, makes it more palatable. That said, if we don't have anyone we covet then we should sit still or trade down.

04-11-2015, 11:18 PM	#11
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04-12-2015, 08:05 AM	#12
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick Trading back out of 13 to the early to mid 20's makes alot of sense,if Sheldon or Sheriff are there those have to be taken, with Sheriff being taken over Sheldon only because it fortifies our O-line. Our D is a work in progress but progressing.

04-12-2015, 08:33 AM	#13
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick Not a fan of Dupree at all. Disappeared at times last season. LSU put up right at 50 against Kentucky last year and lets face it, LSU did not have a overwhelming offense. MarchingOn likes this.
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04-12-2015, 09:37 AM	#14
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick If the solid players are off the board and the word upside is involved with any of the picks i say trade out and and again spread out this bonanza of picks into 2016. move down in one and pick up a first in 2016 or a second, is a solid move. move out of 31 and pick up a 1st in 2016 is a solid move. do both and i would say the saints have a game plan in 2016. 1 first, 2 seconds and 2 thirds would be sweet also. and sleeping a night with 2 1st and a 2 seconds in 2016 would be ideal in my book. must at least get that second 1st in 2016 to make it all worth while. One draft is not going to fill all the holes. The holes we can fill in this draft based on needs is here in the draft and can be addressed from round 2 on. I like the top 10 or so in this this draft. i just see a hug drop of from there. at 13 i think we will need some divine intervention to get one of the top players to drop in our lapse. i swear it is like the entire second round in a typical draft is in the last half of the first this year. there is just a void from say 12 to say 24 talent wise. so close yet so far away. to get an honest shot at a player we could use, we need to start look at chicago on down for trading partners. I for one say we need to many players depth wise to waste the picks moving up without trading a players also. I agree with Seattle there are not enough true first round talents in this years draft. I would have made the Jimmy trade also based on that. But the quality of players from round 1 on is very solid. saintsfan1976 and halloween 65 like this.
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04-13-2015, 11:03 AM	#15
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick Originally Posted by hagan714 If the solid players are off the board and the word upside is involved with any of the picks i say trade out and and again spread out this bonanza of picks into 2016. move down in one and pick up a first in 2016 or a second, is a solid move. move out of 31 and pick up a 1st in 2016 is a solid move. do both and i would say the saints have a game plan in 2016. 1 first, 2 seconds and 2 thirds would be sweet also. and sleeping a night with 2 1st and a 2 seconds in 2016 would be ideal in my book. must at least get that second 1st in 2016 to make it all worth while. One draft is not going to fill all the holes. The holes we can fill in this draft based on needs is here in the draft and can be addressed from round 2 on. I like the top 10 or so in this this draft. i just see a hug drop of from there. at 13 i think we will need some divine intervention to get one of the top players to drop in our lapse. i swear it is like the entire second round in a typical draft is in the last half of the first this year. there is just a void from say 12 to say 24 talent wise. so close yet so far away. to get an honest shot at a player we could use, we need to start look at chicago on down for trading partners. I for one say we need to many players depth wise to waste the picks moving up without trading a players also. I agree with Seattle there are not enough true first round talents in this years draft. I would have made the Jimmy trade also based on that. But the quality of players from round 1 on is very solid. The key word to me here is solid. By building a solid foundation in this draft you could roll the dice on a player(sexy pick, I hate those words) next season or keep drafting solid picks. I'm all about a solid built teams, more consistancy and hard as he!! to beat. Play-action with the O and in the low to mid teens on the D I think will get us back to where we need to get back to, winning. hagan714 likes this.

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04-13-2015, 07:36 PM	#16
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick I would never ever trade up at 13 unless its for a fortified starter on either side of the ball, besides kickers or russel errsedlavin . still embarrassed with that foolish pick. hagan714 likes this.

04-13-2015, 09:45 PM	#17
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I don't like jumping that far unless it's a game changing skill position player. Just my own preference. Is Beasley THAT much of a difference maker or a shiny college player? I'm not sure. id rather get to 6 or 7 and select scherff. he wont make it past 10 Mr.Riaton likes this.

04-13-2015, 09:59 PM	#18
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick 13th Pick in Round of NFL Draft 1994 to 2015 Year Name Team 2014 Aaron Donald Rams 2013 Sheldon Richardson Jets 2012 Michael Floyd Cardinals 2011 Nick Fairley Lions 2010 Brandon Graham Eagles 2009 Brian Orakpo Redskins 2008 Jonathan Stewart Panthers 2007 Adam Carriker Rams 2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns 2005 Jammal Brown Saints 2004 Lee Evans Bills 2003 Ty Warren Patriots 2002 Donte' Stallworth Saints 2001 Marcus Stroud Jaguars 2000 John Abraham Jets 1999 Troy Edwards Steelers 1998 Takeo Spikes Bengals 1997 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs 1996 Walt Harris Bears 1995 Mark Fields Saints 1994 Joe Johnson Saints now tell me again why the Saints should trade out of pick #13? I only see 4/5 players on that list that at the time they were drafted wouldn't of helped the Saints if they had the chance to draft them in the year they were selected

04-14-2015, 07:55 AM	#19
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 13th Pick in Round of NFL Draft 1994 to 2015 Year Name Team 2014 Aaron Donald Rams 2013 Sheldon Richardson Jets 2012 Michael Floyd Cardinals 2011 Nick Fairley Lions 2010 Brandon Graham Eagles 2009 Brian Orakpo Redskins 2008 Jonathan Stewart Panthers 2007 Adam Carriker Rams 2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns 2005 Jammal Brown Saints 2004 Lee Evans Bills 2003 Ty Warren Patriots 2002 Donte' Stallworth Saints 2001 Marcus Stroud Jaguars 2000 John Abraham Jets 1999 Troy Edwards Steelers 1998 Takeo Spikes Bengals 1997 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs 1996 Walt Harris Bears 1995 Mark Fields Saints 1994 Joe Johnson Saints now tell me again why the Saints should trade out of pick #13? I only see 4/5 players on that list that at the time they were drafted wouldn't of helped the Saints if they had the chance to draft them in the year they were selected no doubt and we ended up with some really good players too, but I think every draft is different, and I am only saying we should move up if there is a specific player we are looking at that we think is game changer this year. Plus, because we have the extra 3rd and extra first this year, to me, makes it more palatable. That said, if we don't have anyone we covet then we should sit still or trade down.

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