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Old 04-11-2015, 09:31 AM   #1
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Sean Payton calls it the cloud. Some others refer to it the bubble.

Whatever label you wish to apply, itís the group of players who are similar graded at a particular spot in the draft. There are no rigid and steadfast rules to which one of those players are selected when a team comes on the clock. Itís up to the team determine which player with the highest grade at a position of need to pull out of the cloud.

The only issues is that the cloud, at least the one highest in the sky, is not as robust as it has been in previous seasons. There is elite talent in this draft class at the top, but many talent evaluators believe there are only 10 or 12 players who are truly first-round talents. After the top guys, there is a very deep and talented upper-middle class. This means the teams picking just outside of the top 10 or 15 might end up with a player similarly graded to those selected at the end of the first round.



Of course, it depends on who is doing the grading, but if this opinion is to be believed, it puts the New Orleans Saints, who own the 13th pick, in a somewhat odd position. Itís very possible one of the players the team covets will slip to them. Itís also possible that the top talent goes early and all the players existing inside of New Orleansí cloud evaporate before it is ever on the clock.

This could create a situation where the best option is to either move up in the draft, which will be easy to do considering the Saints have nine selections, or to drop down into the first round, which would allow New Orleans to achieve better value with its selection and acquire more picks.

At Februaryís scouting combine, general manager Mickey Loomis discussed his philosophies on moving up and down in the draft with The Advocate

ďPart of the theory of moving back is that you get more opportunities, right?Ē Loomis said. ďNobody is hitting 100 percent, certainly. In fact, itís probably closer to 60 percent. The more opportunities you have, probably the hit rate -- I get that theory. Sometimes itís, ĎMan, this guy we just love. He first us exactly. Letís go get this guy.í

He continued: ďI think thereís good reason to move back and good reasons to move forward. It just depends where youíre at and what your target is.Ē



The question is who or what the Saints are targeting with the 13th pick. The general consensus is that New Orleans could be in the market for a edge rusher. Itís a solid plan. You can never have too many pass rushers. The problem is that the top players -- Floridaís Dante Fowler Jr., Clemsonís Vic Beasley, Kentuckyís Bud Dupree -- could be gone well before the Saints pick, and the fourth member of that group, Nebraskaís Randy Gregory, has character concerns that could scare teams away.

Other possible options at this spot could be wide receivers Amari Cooper and Kevin White or offensive linemen Brandon Scherff and Laíel Collins. Trades up might be required to land some of those players.

If New Orleans has to have one of those pass rushers, it might have to swing a deal to move up into the first eight picks to land one of them. But itís also possible the need for one has been overstated -- at least for this season.

Defensive end Cam Jordan is entering a contract year and the Saints have expressed interest in retaining him. If a deal can be struck, the team is set at that spot well into the future. The situation surrounding Junior Galette is a bit unclear. He was arrested for a domestic situation this offseason, but charges have since been dropped. Itís possible he could face a suspension, but it would be surprising considering police are not pursuing a case.

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Old 04-11-2015, 11:59 AM   #2
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

Itís very possible one of the players the team covets will slip to them.
With needs at LB, WR, OL, CB, DL I think this is much more likely that everyone we covet being selected already

We know Winston and Mariota will be gone.
That leaves only 10 players that will be be selected when we pick.

1. Cooper
2. White
3. Sherff
4. Williams
5. Fowler
6. Beasley
7. Shelton
8. Collins
9. Waynes
10. Gregory (probably off of our board)
11. Brown
12. Dupree
13. Ray

I'd be very happy with at least 10 of those 13 listed above.
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

Isn't there growing concern that these pass rushers like Beasley, Fowler and Dupree are going to be busts? Or work ethic issues or something?

I can't remember but it seems like there's a lot of negativity surrounding some of the defensive players in this draft.

Personally I'd be happy with Cooper, White, Sherff, Shelton or Collins with our first pick.

I really don't know much about Fowler or Beasley but it seems like I've read somewhere they may not be that great. Idk.

I'll trust in Mickey and Sean I guess.
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
With needs at LB, WR, OL, CB, DL I think this is much more likely that everyone we covet being selected already

We know Winston and Mariota will be gone.
That leaves only 10 players that will be be selected when we pick.

1. Cooper
2. White
3. Sherff
4. Williams
5. Fowler
6. Beasley
7. Shelton
8. Collins
9. Waynes
10. Gregory (probably off of our board)
11. Brown
12. Dupree
13. Ray

I'd be very happy with at least 10 of those 13 listed above.

If Sherff is there, you gotta take him. Brees now has the time he has not had since Nicks left.
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

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If Sherff is there, you gotta take him. Brees now has the time he has not had since Nicks left.
Just imagine...

LT- Armstead
LG- Sherff
OC- Unger
RG- Evans
RT- Strief

Wow.
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

Nearly as good as the o-line i have just drafted NFLUK forums alltime draft(well 1960-2015). 20 players

LT Willie Roaf
LG Larry Allen
OC Kevin Mawae
RG Jahri Evans
RT Erik Williams

QB Brees
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
With needs at LB, WR, OL, CB, DL I think this is much more likely that everyone we covet being selected already

We know Winston and Mariota will be gone.
That leaves only 10 players that will be be selected when we pick.

1. Cooper
2. White
3. Sherff
4. Williams
5. Fowler
6. Beasley
7. Shelton
8. Collins
9. Waynes
10. Gregory (probably off of our board)
11. Brown
12. Dupree
13. Ray

I'd be very happy with at least 10 of those 13 listed above.
All but Gregory, Ray or Dupree.

And in regards to the article, it's less about who's there AT 13 and more about who's NEAR 13. If we like a guy at 9, 10 or 11, we'll jump.
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

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If Sherff is there, you gotta take him. Brees now has the time he has not had since Nicks left.
Agreed, if Sherff is there you've got to pull the trigger.
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

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All but Gregory, Ray or Dupree.

And in regards to the article, it's less about who's there AT 13 and more about who's NEAR 13. If we like a guy at 9, 10 or 11, we'll jump.
Problem is, if one of those guys looks like they'll fall to us, someone just behind us would't have to give up as much to move to the G'nats, Rams or Vikings spot...

Then we're stuck at 13 probably reaching on a player...

I'd rather be proactive and jump to the Raiders spot and select a Leonard Williams or Vic Beasley...
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Re: New Orleans Saints draft analysis: The case for moving out of the 13th pick

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Problem is, if one of those guys looks like they'll fall to us, someone just behind us would't have to give up as much to move to the G'nats, Rams or Vikings spot...

Then we're stuck at 13 probably reaching on a player...

I'd rather be proactive and jump to the Raiders spot and select a Leonard Williams or Vic Beasley...
I don't like jumping that far unless it's a game changing skill position player.

Just my own preference.

Is Beasley THAT much of a difference maker or a shiny college player? I'm not sure.
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