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Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold
this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I say the grade is INCOMPLETE. They have a lot of info and interviews with these guys that we do not have access to. They have a vision for these players that we do not know what it is yet. ...
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05-03-2015, 09:25 AM
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Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold
I say the grade is INCOMPLETE.
They have a lot of info and interviews with these guys that we do not have access to. They have a vision for these players that we do not know what it is yet. THese guys also haven't played a down in the NFL and I don't see how you can grade them an A now and then come game day none of them are on the roster... |
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05-03-2015, 09:49 AM
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With Armstead injured and Strief old, I get the OT pick. He will be a future starter for sure. But, with the 13 pick, the Saints could have got a starter NOW at a NEED position. Parker, Johnson, and Dupree come to mind.
Anthony was their guy and he fills a need. Hau'oli has the talent but the injuries are not good. Grayson was a waste. Could have had Coates. True playmaker with size at a need position. Williams looks to be a steal. Great value. Florida St players with baggage concerns me though. Tull was a steal as well. True football player. Davidson and Swann should make the team. TE James would have been nice with either pick. Murphy could be the returner the Saints have long needed. Good pick. But, McBride at WR would have been a steal. |
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05-03-2015, 09:59 AM
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Our first round selection of Andrus Peat with pick 13 will be the kind of pick that grows on you when he's still our left tackle - ten years from now with all the accolades and honors in tow...
Maybe it's just not having quality linebackers for so long that clouded my viewpoint, but getting the best inside linebacker in the draft from Clemson in Stephone Anthony with pick 31 will be more than justified... If Washington OLB Hau'oli Kikaha was a slight reach, it will be among the slightest as there were greater reaches by most teams in the second. But the need to draft a proven passrusher was at critical mass for the front office... The theme for this draft will be Stealing and taking QB Garrett Grayson of Colorado State will be a delayed gratification pick when Drew Brees comes to the end of his contract the following season... Speaking of stealing, we got a NCAA National Championship MVP in the third round who did as much with three interceptions in that game; getting CB P.J. Williams, who should start immediately at the nickel, so he can start stealing some pick sixes was a wow moment... There were some nice values to be had in the fourth round and was disappointed the Saints stood pat there; we had expendable depth on the roster (i.e. safety) at this point and we did nothing... Now when the fifth rolled around, it was flat-out looting when Tennessee-Chattanooga OLB Davis Tull was still there; every bit as a physical talent as the best OLB in the draft fell because of injury during draft eval process... Value big screens and even valuable defenders were still there when we took Buck-Strong NT Tyeler Davison from Fresno State who will make the NT rotation tremendous for our 3-4 front... Jeff Ireland must have taken a pi$$ break and Sean Mickey regressed and moved up to pick another CB Damian Swann, who has limited range and will be a dime defender at best, with Tight End Need/Value there as well as Mich State's ILB Taiwan Jones, just didn't see the need to move up giving up both the 2015 and 2016 6th round picks... Round seven and the final steal, pick in RB Marcus Murphy should keep what was already a good RB corps even better and honest as the competition there should fire that group up for the regular season... While it wasn't a perfect draft and we really need three (3) years to truly evaluate it, this has been one of the best managed, quality drafts under Coach Payton's tenure and a solid showing for Saints first year Scouting Director Jeff Ireland... |
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05-03-2015, 10:17 AM
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Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold
2015 Draft Pick Criteria...
Physical Tough Non-stop motor Leader on and off field Character High football IQ Productive |
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05-03-2015, 01:13 PM
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Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold
Originally Posted by Danno
All the picks fit that criteria but Williams, I'm fine with that
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05-03-2015, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83
It was kinda humorous that all the intangibles read almost exactly the same way.
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05-03-2015, 01:11 PM
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This may be like a "Wild Thing" pitch, "Jussssst a bit outside!"
Greatest draft in the SP era orrrrrr BUST!!! |
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05-03-2015, 01:48 PM
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Howdy fellas... I really, really like what the Saints did in this draft. Unlike the past few years where I walked away with several "why the hell did we draft that guy?" comments, I feel like we really improved our roster this weekend.
I really like the Andrus Peat pick, and I think I'll like it even more when we find out what's going to happen between Armstead and Strief and Peat. The guy has a great frame, huge arms, and is probably the best pass pro prospect in the draft. My favorite pick in the draft, and I totally understand why it's considered a reach, is Stephone Anthony. He might have been there in the second round when we picked, but I love that the Saints got him. He's a high energy, high character, explosive player (4.56 and great broad jump) at linebacker, a position that badly needs an upgrade. He's the unquestioned leader of the best defense in college... I feel like he's going to be a guy that is going to push our defense to get better. The Kikaha pick surprised me a bit because of his injury history and his poor showing at the combine, but the guy can play football. He's got a high motor and a good first step. He'll push Gallette to get better. The Grayson pick wasn't a surprise since we've so many rumors about how much Payton liked the guy. If he can develop into a good QB at the pro level then the value is tremendous. I really enjoyed watching him at the Gruden QB Camp. My biggest concern is his collarbone... he's broken it three times, the last one by lifting a couch??? My second favorite pick of the draft is PJ Williams. The guy has the talent to be an early second rounder, borderline first. There are clearly character concerns here, and hopefully the organization will hold him accountable. But on the field, the guy is a really good player. Unlike our last FSU cornerback, Williams is stout in run defense. He's also very instinctual in pass coverage and has good ball skills. What I like most about him is that he shows up in the biggest games... he was a superstar in the NCG in 2013. I see him as an immediate contributor. The Tull and Davison picks continue with the theme of high motor, overachievers who should help our front 7. I like both picks and am curious to see if both can play right away, especially Tull whose measurables at the combine are pretty impressive. Swann seems to me like he may be best at the Safety position... I'm not quite sure why we felt the need to trade up and get him, but after the way we drafted the first five rounds, I've got to trust the decision-makers on this one. I really like the Murphy pick in the seventh round. I watched a lot of Missouri football this past season and the kid is special with the ball in his hands. I think he will be good for us in the return game and hopefully can contribute on third downs. Overall, I really like what the Saints did in this draft. I think our defense is much better than it was before the draft, and depending on how things shake out on the OL, we've addressed our biggest weakness on the offensive side of the ball as well. I'm honestly not too concerned with our WR/TE depth... I think Brees can throw most people open. |
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05-03-2015, 01:56 PM
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Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold
Originally Posted by TheDeuce
Yep, solid post TD.
But one thing I'm seeing a lot of is people posting about Kikaha's injury history. He's played injury free for the last 2 years and he's played lights out. I'm not sure that qualifies as an injury history. And I keep hearing that Anthony was a reach. I disagree. We had the 2nd to last pick in the 1st, and he was slated as a 2nd rounder. I honestly think he would have been picked before we picked in the 2nd. I don't think he was a reach in any way shape or form. The best MLB in the draft at 31 is not a reach. |
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05-03-2015, 02:21 PM
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Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold
Originally Posted by Danno
Good points Danno.
About Kikaha, the fact that he's had two ACL tears is cause for concern, but agree that it's a good sign he's played injury free that last two seasons. Clearly the Saints medical staff feels comfortable with the structure of his knees. Totally agree about Anthony. DE and CB tend to get the most attention on defenses these days, but I don't know if there's a more important position on the defensive side of the ball than a good MLB. He will bring athleticism to that position that we haven't had in a long time. Pumped about him. |
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