Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold

spkb25 · 05-03-2015, 07:31 AM

Just seeing what you guys thought of it, the good ,the bad, and the Falcons.

lee909 · 05-03-2015, 08:04 AM

Im intrigued about the draft.
Looks solid rather than splashy and when rebuilding thats the better option.

I do wonder if Anthony would have been there at R2 and Kikaha*in R3. I dont mind reaching a bit if its the player you want though.

Grayson was the only question mark for me though i understand the pick.

Would have been intetesting if the Browns and Colts not selected Shelton and Dorsett as i have a feeling that was the two we wanted.

papz · 05-03-2015, 08:06 AM

The good : I think we got a bunch of good, solid, safe football players. We addressed all our areas of need with quality football players. Nothing really to complain about.

The bad: The presumed lack of a high ceilings imo. None really standout as a homerun superstar type. With that said, you don't need a team full of superstars to win either. We have two players drafted that's been compared to Andre Whitworth and Kyle Williams... two underrated stars in this league.

The Falcons: I thought they did a really good for the most part. Dan Quinn is the new head coach there so they're going to want to play good defense and run the football. Three guys they drafted on defense provided value and should be able to contribute immediately. Tevin Coleman was an explosive player in college and was highly thought of in the draft. The one big fail they did have was not addressing OL early enough. Their line was atrocious last year and they haven't done much to address it. And if Dan Quinn is going to bring a Seattle Seahawk type football down to Atlanta, you know it all starts up front on both sides of the ball.

Atlanta can't offer anything anyone else can to La'el Collins but if I were them, and if he's cleared of any wrong doing, I would just give him a phone call and send him over a contract... I'd fly someone down to Baton Rouge and start recruiting him like a 5 star athlete coming out of high school.

SmashMouth · 05-03-2015, 08:10 AM

Needed to protect Drew better. Needed to improve defense. And we did what we could to get what we could elsewhere. We likely need another draft to improve as much as we all wanted to, but it may be sufficient enough for this year, provided of course picks come through.

FailClowns still suck!

Mr.Riaton · 05-03-2015, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Needed to protect Drew better. Needed to improve defense. And we did what we could to get what we could elsewhere. We likely need another draft to improve as much as we all wanted to, but it may be sufficient enough for this year, provided of course picks come through.

I agree. I like the fact that we're going into next offseason with a better cap situation to hopefully land a couple of big FA signings in areas that are needed following this year. But I am pretty satisfied with our draft picks and I do believe we'll win our division this year. The future of our team is shaping up nicely.

hagan714 · 05-03-2015, 08:34 AM

Andrus Peat - understand the value butttttt Parker was tempting

Stephone Anthony - Rumors were all true. the saints love this kid

Hau'oli Kikaha - Talent is there but injury history really worries me

Garrett Grayson - This SP man all the way what can you really say

P.J. Williams - RD3? this one had me out of my seat dancing. Round 2 i would have been not so happy. but RD3? sold.

Davis Tull - Mr. Curiosity in my book

Tyeler Davison - Fire plug on the inside ok i can see it

Damian Swann - this replaced Andrus Peat has my number 1 head scratcher of the draft. i like the kid in the next round or two and have talked about him but to trade up and get him in the 5th was a shocker. Charles Gains is on the board still and lasted till after we were to pick in 6th to the Browns. so the Charles Gains vs Damian Swann watch is on for me. worse use of a pick, well PICKS, in the draft by the saints in 2015? this one could be that pick without a doubt, ok Swann is the better tackler i will give him that

Marcus Murphy - he wins my most interesting pick. this one came out of no where for me. A friend that is a huge Mizzo fan say he has that something special thing about his game that made fans stand when ever he touched the ball. A big play just waiting to happen despite the fact when you looked at him you would never think he was anything special. he has that special 6th sense when he plays to make things happen.

- after gutting the pass game i am still shocked that saints did not add 1 WR in the draft. Shocked. teams will now jam the line till we can prove that our 3rd 4th and 5th WR are anything to worry about. Our track history over the past few years depth wise has not been that good. I just think it made the emphasis on the running game that much difficult. My wild card is Morgan. I am hoping they dumped him to heal and planned to have him back all along in 2016

- the saints do not have a true #2 CB on the roster to start on opening day IMO. so i am hoping for a huge surprise in camp. Nickle dime looks good.

blackangold · 05-03-2015, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

- after gutting the pass game i am still shocked that saints did not add 1 WR in the draft. Shocked. teams will now jam the line till we can prove that our 3rd 4th and 5th WR are anything to worry about. Our track history over the past few years depth wise has not been that good. I just think it made the emphasis on the running game that much difficult. My wild card is Morgan. I am hoping they dumped him to heal and planned to have him back all along in 2016

Our Depth at WR has never been good, yet Brees still throws for close to 5k every season. Most casual Saints fans can't name more than 2 WR from the 09 team. Jones and Coleman will surprise a few folks this year.

|Mitch| · 05-03-2015, 12:23 PM

This is what happens when you know what you want and have a plan. The Saints traded for center Max Unger and drafted tackle Andrus Peat in the first round. They're going to have one of the biggest, most talented lines in the NFL in 2015, all the better to protect an aging Drew Brees—and his possible successor, Grayson.

The first of the non-blue-chip quarterbacks off the board, Grayson will have at least a year to develop under Payton and Brees. If he can assume the throne when Brees steps down (or perhaps poison the King of New Orleans' wine), Grayson will be incredible value here.

The rest of the draft was dedicated to getting defensive coordinator Rob Ryan talented, hard-nosed football players, and for good reason. The soft Saints defense couldn't do anything right last season; the reinforcements to the run defense, pass rush and pass coverage were desperately needed.

Kikaha is a tremendous pass-rusher. He didn't post tremendous test numbers but tremendous production.

Grade: A-

Defense wins championships, and the best way to build a championship defense is through the draft.

The New Orleans front office seemed to take this strategy to heart in this year's draft, stockpiling six defensive players during the three-day event.

Of the Saints' defensive picks, one common trait shared by all of them, no matter the position, is that of a fiery, intense style of play. Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, P.J. Wiliams, Davis Tull, Tyeler Davison and Damian Swann are all players who give maximum effort on every snap, and they're all relentless competitors.

Along the way, the Saints also selected what appears to be the team's left tackle of the future, and they brought in a young quarterback who could one day take the reins to the offense.

Although New Orleans' 2015 draft was difficult to predict and sometimes surprising, nearly every move made sense.

Grade: A-

spkb25 · 05-03-2015, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

where did you find those?

RaginCajun83 · 05-03-2015, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Our Depth at WR has never been good, yet Brees still throws for close to 5k every season. Most casual Saints fans can't name more than 2 WR from the 09 team. Jones and Coleman will surprise a few folks this year.

+1000000

Brees has turned 5th, 7th, UDFA WRs into productive WRs in the NFL. Im not worried about this WR corp at all this season

05-03-2015, 07:31 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Just seeing what you guys thought of it, the good ,the bad, and the Falcons.

05-03-2015, 08:06 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold The good : I think we got a bunch of good, solid, safe football players. We addressed all our areas of need with quality football players. Nothing really to complain about. The bad: The presumed lack of a high ceilings imo. None really standout as a homerun superstar type. With that said, you don't need a team full of superstars to win either. We have two players drafted that's been compared to Andre Whitworth and Kyle Williams... two underrated stars in this league. The Falcons: I thought they did a really good for the most part. Dan Quinn is the new head coach there so they're going to want to play good defense and run the football. Three guys they drafted on defense provided value and should be able to contribute immediately. Tevin Coleman was an explosive player in college and was highly thought of in the draft. The one big fail they did have was not addressing OL early enough. Their line was atrocious last year and they haven't done much to address it. And if Dan Quinn is going to bring a Seattle Seahawk type football down to Atlanta, you know it all starts up front on both sides of the ball. Atlanta can't offer anything anyone else can to La'el Collins but if I were them, and if he's cleared of any wrong doing, I would just give him a phone call and send him over a contract... I'd fly someone down to Baton Rouge and start recruiting him like a 5 star athlete coming out of high school. TheDeuce likes this.
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05-03-2015, 08:10 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Needed to protect Drew better. Needed to improve defense. And we did what we could to get what we could elsewhere. We likely need another draft to improve as much as we all wanted to, but it may be sufficient enough for this year, provided of course picks come through. FailClowns still suck!
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05-03-2015, 08:20 AM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,287	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Originally Posted by SmashMouth Needed to protect Drew better. Needed to improve defense. And we did what we could to get what we could elsewhere. We likely need another draft to improve as much as we all wanted to, but it may be sufficient enough for this year, provided of course picks come through. I agree. I like the fact that we're going into next offseason with a better cap situation to hopefully land a couple of big FA signings in areas that are needed following this year. But I am pretty satisfied with our draft picks and I do believe we'll win our division this year. The future of our team is shaping up nicely.

05-03-2015, 08:34 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Andrus Peat - understand the value butttttt Parker was tempting Stephone Anthony - Rumors were all true. the saints love this kid Hau'oli Kikaha - Talent is there but injury history really worries me Garrett Grayson - This SP man all the way what can you really say P.J. Williams - RD3? this one had me out of my seat dancing. Round 2 i would have been not so happy. but RD3? sold. Davis Tull - Mr. Curiosity in my book Tyeler Davison - Fire plug on the inside ok i can see it Damian Swann - this replaced Andrus Peat has my number 1 head scratcher of the draft. i like the kid in the next round or two and have talked about him but to trade up and get him in the 5th was a shocker. Charles Gains is on the board still and lasted till after we were to pick in 6th to the Browns. so the Charles Gains vs Damian Swann watch is on for me. worse use of a pick, well PICKS, in the draft by the saints in 2015? this one could be that pick without a doubt, ok Swann is the better tackler i will give him that Marcus Murphy - he wins my most interesting pick. this one came out of no where for me. A friend that is a huge Mizzo fan say he has that something special thing about his game that made fans stand when ever he touched the ball. A big play just waiting to happen despite the fact when you looked at him you would never think he was anything special. he has that special 6th sense when he plays to make things happen. - after gutting the pass game i am still shocked that saints did not add 1 WR in the draft. Shocked. teams will now jam the line till we can prove that our 3rd 4th and 5th WR are anything to worry about. Our track history over the past few years depth wise has not been that good. I just think it made the emphasis on the running game that much difficult. My wild card is Morgan. I am hoping they dumped him to heal and planned to have him back all along in 2016 - the saints do not have a true #2 CB on the roster to start on opening day IMO. so i am hoping for a huge surprise in camp. Nickle dime looks good. jnormand, MarchingOn and brees84 like this.
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05-03-2015, 08:04 AM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Im intrigued about the draft. Looks solid rather than splashy and when rebuilding thats the better option. I do wonder if Anthony would have been there at R2 and Kikaha*in R3. I dont mind reaching a bit if its the player you want though. Grayson was the only question mark for me though i understand the pick. Would have been intetesting if the Browns and Colts not selected Shelton and Dorsett as i have a feeling that was the two we wanted.

05-03-2015, 10:34 AM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Originally Posted by hagan714 - after gutting the pass game i am still shocked that saints did not add 1 WR in the draft. Shocked. teams will now jam the line till we can prove that our 3rd 4th and 5th WR are anything to worry about. Our track history over the past few years depth wise has not been that good. I just think it made the emphasis on the running game that much difficult. My wild card is Morgan. I am hoping they dumped him to heal and planned to have him back all along in 2016 Our Depth at WR has never been good, yet Brees still throws for close to 5k every season. Most casual Saints fans can't name more than 2 WR from the 09 team. Jones and Coleman will surprise a few folks this year. RaginCajun83 and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-03-2015, 12:23 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold This is what happens when you know what you want and have a plan. The Saints traded for center Max Unger and drafted tackle Andrus Peat in the first round. They're going to have one of the biggest, most talented lines in the NFL in 2015, all the better to protect an aging Drew Brees—and his possible successor, Grayson. The first of the non-blue-chip quarterbacks off the board, Grayson will have at least a year to develop under Payton and Brees. If he can assume the throne when Brees steps down (or perhaps poison the King of New Orleans' wine), Grayson will be incredible value here. The rest of the draft was dedicated to getting defensive coordinator Rob Ryan talented, hard-nosed football players, and for good reason. The soft Saints defense couldn't do anything right last season; the reinforcements to the run defense, pass rush and pass coverage were desperately needed. Kikaha is a tremendous pass-rusher. He didn't post tremendous test numbers but tremendous production. Grade: A- Defense wins championships, and the best way to build a championship defense is through the draft. The New Orleans front office seemed to take this strategy to heart in this year's draft, stockpiling six defensive players during the three-day event. Of the Saints' defensive picks, one common trait shared by all of them, no matter the position, is that of a fiery, intense style of play. Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, P.J. Wiliams, Davis Tull, Tyeler Davison and Damian Swann are all players who give maximum effort on every snap, and they're all relentless competitors. Along the way, the Saints also selected what appears to be the team's left tackle of the future, and they brought in a young quarterback who could one day take the reins to the offense. Although New Orleans' 2015 draft was difficult to predict and sometimes surprising, nearly every move made sense. Grade: A-
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05-03-2015, 01:52 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| where did you find those?

05-03-2015, 01:19 PM	#10
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Soliciting draft evaluations from the BlackandGold Originally Posted by blackangold Our Depth at WR has never been good, yet Brees still throws for close to 5k every season. Most casual Saints fans can't name more than 2 WR from the 09 team. Jones and Coleman will surprise a few folks this year. +1000000 Brees has turned 5th, 7th, UDFA WRs into productive WRs in the NFL. Im not worried about this WR corp at all this season

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