Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class

05-08-2015, 01:57 PM

The best draft we ever had in the history of the Saints went nowhere. For as good as that class was we never achieved anything. Most of our best all time players were not in the draft or we didn't draft them. Having bad / poor drafts, you have to admit, it has kinda worked out big picture.

RiverSaint · 05-08-2015, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

i guess, if you're a person who feels our biggest problem last season was defense than yes, this draft would excite you. for me i feel we neglected to deal with the elephant in the room and that is our lack luster offense. i'm gonna say this till the season starts and i'm (hopefully) proven wrong. i have questions (concerns) about our receiving corp, our te corp, our running corp, the o line and yes drew brees. who dats, as an offense (as you all know) i kept saying they look "stagnant". too many 3 and outs, too many turnovers, that along is a recipe for disaster. you cant keep putting your (so called) sorry defense on the field and hope for a miracle. you have to, unfortunately, score points, control the clock and then maybe then you'll win games. now that didnt happen and overall the entire team sucked. hopefully this season we'll get back to superbowl form, i'm just saying dont hold your breath.

Dude are you ill? Our offense has been ranked a top offense for years. Defense is our only problem the rest sean payton will find a way.

RaginCajun83 · 05-08-2015, 03:03 PM

I got teddy on my ignore list so I haven't seen his "theories" in a while, and I thought I came up with some against the grain stuff every now and then. I don't hold a candle to him

Foot Stomper · 05-08-2015, 03:51 PM

Goody-goody gumdrops. Depressing to read that. Just reminded me the ENTIRE organization lost their focus and took their eye off the ball. We couldn't win the NFCSOUTH for crying out loud last year when the winner won it at 7-8-1!

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ChrisXVI · 05-08-2015, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Foot Stomper

Goody-goody gumdrops. Depressing to read that. Just reminded me the ENTIRE organization lost their focus and took their eye off the ball. We couldn't win the NFCSOUTH for crying out loud last year when the winner won it at 7-8-1!

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We really haven't been a successful team for that long in the grand scheme of things and part of being successful is knowing how to handle success. We learned that lesson last year. Guys just showed up expecting to win our home games because we always win those nowadays.

saintsfan1976 · 05-08-2015, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We really haven't been a successful team for that long in the grand scheme of things and part of being successful is knowing how to handle success. We learned that lesson last year. Guys just showed up expecting to win our home games because we always win those nowadays.

Parcells, Walsh, Belichick... I'm sure it took each time to learn how to handle success. I see Payton starting to do those things now

FinSaint · 05-08-2015, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I got teddy on my ignore list so I haven't seen his "theories" in a while, and I thought I came up with some against the grain stuff every now and then. I don't hold a candle to him

Yeah, that ignore list comes in handy at times.

jeanpierre · 05-08-2015, 05:10 PM

Those comments from Vitt are not very reassuring...

If fact, it's pretty f***ing depressing...

Keep asking the same question:

Can you name one linebacker Joe Vitt has developed in the time he's been with the Saints?!?

ChrisXVI · 05-08-2015, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Those comments from Vitt are not very reassuring...

If fact, it's pretty f***ing depressing...

Keep asking the same question:

Can you name one linebacker Joe Vitt has developed in the time he's been with the Saints?!?

Can you name one time we've actually invested high draft picks in good, smart LB's in Vitt's time? The LB's we have drafted didn't exactly sign elsewhere and light it up for a different coach.

FinSaint · 05-08-2015, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Can you name one linebacker Joe Vitt has developed in the time he's been with the Saints?!?

That's a hard one.

Vitt's tenure with the Saints has been one of FA LBs as starters. Simoneau, Fujita, Shanle, Vilma, Lofton, Hawthorne, etc.

I guess you could make the argument that he's been able to get the most out of these guys - while I'm maybe on the fence with the latter two - but he hasn't been able to develop any difference makers from the Saints' draftees.

Now, you could also argue that the FO hasn't really given him a lot to work with - since the same guys haven't blossomed elsewhere either - but it would seem that he's more of a cultivator than a developer when it comes to LBs.

Also, it would seem he's more comfortable in getting the most out of the blue-collar type players while raw talent and athleticism seems to dumbfound him.

But those are all just uninformed guesses, since none of us know what really goes on behind the curtain.

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05-08-2015, 02:57 PM	#12
RiverSaint Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 78	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by teddybarexxx i guess, if you're a person who feels our biggest problem last season was defense than yes, this draft would excite you. for me i feel we neglected to deal with the elephant in the room and that is our lack luster offense. i'm gonna say this till the season starts and i'm (hopefully) proven wrong. i have questions (concerns) about our receiving corp, our te corp, our running corp, the o line and yes drew brees. who dats, as an offense (as you all know) i kept saying they look "stagnant". too many 3 and outs, too many turnovers, that along is a recipe for disaster. you cant keep putting your (so called) sorry defense on the field and hope for a miracle. you have to, unfortunately, score points, control the clock and then maybe then you'll win games. now that didnt happen and overall the entire team sucked. hopefully this season we'll get back to superbowl form, i'm just saying dont hold your breath. Dude are you ill? Our offense has been ranked a top offense for years. Defense is our only problem the rest sean payton will find a way.
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05-08-2015, 03:03 PM	#13
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class I got teddy on my ignore list so I haven't seen his "theories" in a while, and I thought I came up with some against the grain stuff every now and then. I don't hold a candle to him jnormand, FinSaint, ChrisXVI and 1 others like this.

05-08-2015, 03:51 PM	#14
Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Goody-goody gumdrops. Depressing to read that. Just reminded me the ENTIRE organization lost their focus and took their eye off the ball. We couldn't win the NFCSOUTH for crying out loud last year when the winner won it at 7-8-1! New Orleans Saints \| Season Schedule

05-08-2015, 04:37 PM	#15
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by Foot Stomper Goody-goody gumdrops. Depressing to read that. Just reminded me the ENTIRE organization lost their focus and took their eye off the ball. We couldn't win the NFCSOUTH for crying out loud last year when the winner won it at 7-8-1! New Orleans Saints \| Season Schedule We really haven't been a successful team for that long in the grand scheme of things and part of being successful is knowing how to handle success. We learned that lesson last year. Guys just showed up expecting to win our home games because we always win those nowadays.

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05-08-2015, 04:40 PM	#16
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We really haven't been a successful team for that long in the grand scheme of things and part of being successful is knowing how to handle success. We learned that lesson last year. Guys just showed up expecting to win our home games because we always win those nowadays. Parcells, Walsh, Belichick... I'm sure it took each time to learn how to handle success. I see Payton starting to do those things now jnormand likes this.

05-08-2015, 04:48 PM	#17
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 I got teddy on my ignore list so I haven't seen his "theories" in a while, and I thought I came up with some against the grain stuff every now and then. I don't hold a candle to him Yeah, that ignore list comes in handy at times.

05-08-2015, 05:10 PM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Those comments from Vitt are not very reassuring... If fact, it's pretty f***ing depressing... Keep asking the same question: Can you name one linebacker Joe Vitt has developed in the time he's been with the Saints?!? RaginCajun83 likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by jeanpierre Those comments from Vitt are not very reassuring... If fact, it's pretty f***ing depressing... Keep asking the same question: Can you name one linebacker Joe Vitt has developed in the time he's been with the Saints?!? Can you name one time we've actually invested high draft picks in good, smart LB's in Vitt's time? The LB's we have drafted didn't exactly sign elsewhere and light it up for a different coach.

05-08-2015, 05:59 PM	#20
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by jeanpierre Can you name one linebacker Joe Vitt has developed in the time he's been with the Saints?!? That's a hard one. Vitt's tenure with the Saints has been one of FA LBs as starters. Simoneau, Fujita, Shanle, Vilma, Lofton, Hawthorne, etc. I guess you could make the argument that he's been able to get the most out of these guys - while I'm maybe on the fence with the latter two - but he hasn't been able to develop any difference makers from the Saints' draftees. Now, you could also argue that the FO hasn't really given him a lot to work with - since the same guys haven't blossomed elsewhere either - but it would seem that he's more of a cultivator than a developer when it comes to LBs. Also, it would seem he's more comfortable in getting the most out of the blue-collar type players while raw talent and athleticism seems to dumbfound him. But those are all just uninformed guesses, since none of us know what really goes on behind the curtain. Danno and ChrisXVI like this.
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