Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class

05-08-2015, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Dunbar had 36 combined tackles in 16 games(starting 10) last year, that's horrible in a 4-3 defense...

Casillas is nothing more than a back-up LB every where he has been; the most tackles he's had in a season is 43 in 2011 with the Saints...

We don't suck at developing LB's

We suck at drafting LB's.

Hopefully that's changed this year.

Joe Vitt is just a scapegoat for the woefully uninformed.

Foot Stomper · 05-08-2015, 08:11 PM

LB Draft in Payton Era. Purposely left off FA and DE. May add that next.

2006 - 0
2007 - 7th Marvin Mitchell
2008 - 0
2009 - Stanley Arnoux
2010 - 0
2011 - 3rd Martez Wilson, 7th Nate Bussey
2012 - 0
2013 - 6th Rufus Johnson
2014 - 4th Khairi Fortt, 5th Ronald Powell

ChrisXVI · 05-08-2015, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Foot Stomper

LB Draft in Payton Era. Purposely left off FA and DE. May add that next.

2006 - 0
2007 - 7th Marvin Mitchell
2008 - 0
2009 - Stanley Arnoux
2010 - 0
2011 - 3rd Martez Wilson, 7th Nate Bussey
2012 - 0
2013 - 6th Rufus Johnson
2014 - 4th Khairi Fortt, 5th Ronald Powell

Bingo... Except Rufus Johnson played DE in college so he doesn't even count; making the list even more pathetic. I don't see how Vitt had any chance to develop LB's with that list.

Foot Stomper · 05-08-2015, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Bingo... Except Rufus Johnson played DE in college so he doesn't even count; making the list even more pathetic. I don't see how Vitt had any chance to develop LB's with that list.

I was going to add UD and true FA's to the list but damn that's some hard seraching and I am hungry.

Quickly off the top of my head ones that at least I remember. Probably forgetting 20 that came and went.

Fujita
Shanle
Simeneaux
Vilma
Lofton
Harlson

FinSaint · 05-08-2015, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We don't suck at developing LB's

We suck at drafting LB's.

Hopefully that's changed this year.

Joe Vitt is just a scapegoat for the woefully uninformed.

Should the same be said of Bill Johnson - maybe to a higher degree since the Saints have spent higher draft picks on D-linemen without much success in developing them to be "the best they could be?!"

Granted there are some success stories there, but the effort and money spent on the D-line hasn't really produced significant returns on the field.

I've read some articles which claim that BJ is considered one of the better D-line coaches in the league by his peers, but I don't see why. Are the D-coordinators making it impossible for him to get the most out of the players in forcing schemes upon him that are not conducive to success?! There were some good times with GW and the season before last was a good one too, but there's just no real consistency in development or on-the-field success.

RaginCajun83 · 05-08-2015, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

My thoughts exactly. Maybe that's the problem with our "D". It appears that they follow the lead and don't put the maximum effort every week.

Felt this about Junior most of last season

ChrisXVI · 05-08-2015, 09:49 PM

Interesting point FinSaint... I hadn't thought about that. I was fed up with Vitt before I realized that we haven't given him a single young LB worth a damn. Bill Johnson though, I don't know... Interesting to think about that.

ChrisXVI · 05-08-2015, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Felt this about Junior most of last season

Junior was one of our only defensive players trying last season. Hate on his use of social media and his struggles against the run, but the guy was one of the few who showed up last year.

RaginCajun83 · 05-08-2015, 11:07 PM

You mean the same Junior who got dominated by a 3rd string LT week 1? Or the Junior who more than once just stood there instead of rushing the QB?

Everyone played like hot garbage last year on defense, no one gets a pass

RaginCajun83 · 05-08-2015, 11:13 PM

This team will continue to piss away the last few years of Brees as long as Vitt, Johnson and McMahon are still around. Even with the guys added in the draft, I'm not convinced this team is any better than 9-7 this year. I hope they prove me wrong but I just don't see it

Danno - Brees has said more than once about how entertaining Vitt's stories are on road trips and in the locker room

05-08-2015, 07:41 PM	#31
Threaded by Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Dunbar had 36 combined tackles in 16 games(starting 10) last year, that's horrible in a 4-3 defense... Casillas is nothing more than a back-up LB every where he has been; the most tackles he's had in a season is 43 in 2011 with the Saints... We don't suck at developing LB's We suck at drafting LB's. Hopefully that's changed this year. Joe Vitt is just a scapegoat for the woefully uninformed. ChrisXVI likes this.
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05-08-2015, 08:11 PM	#32
Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class LB Draft in Payton Era. Purposely left off FA and DE. May add that next. 2006 - 0 2007 - 7th Marvin Mitchell 2008 - 0 2009 - Stanley Arnoux 2010 - 0 2011 - 3rd Martez Wilson, 7th Nate Bussey 2012 - 0 2013 - 6th Rufus Johnson 2014 - 4th Khairi Fortt, 5th Ronald Powell

05-08-2015, 08:22 PM	#33
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by Foot Stomper LB Draft in Payton Era. Purposely left off FA and DE. May add that next. 2006 - 0 2007 - 7th Marvin Mitchell 2008 - 0 2009 - Stanley Arnoux 2010 - 0 2011 - 3rd Martez Wilson, 7th Nate Bussey 2012 - 0 2013 - 6th Rufus Johnson 2014 - 4th Khairi Fortt, 5th Ronald Powell Bingo... Except Rufus Johnson played DE in college so he doesn't even count; making the list even more pathetic. I don't see how Vitt had any chance to develop LB's with that list.

05-08-2015, 08:31 PM	#34
Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Bingo... Except Rufus Johnson played DE in college so he doesn't even count; making the list even more pathetic. I don't see how Vitt had any chance to develop LB's with that list. I was going to add UD and true FA's to the list but damn that's some hard seraching and I am hungry. Quickly off the top of my head ones that at least I remember. Probably forgetting 20 that came and went. Fujita Shanle Simeneaux Vilma Lofton Harlson

05-08-2015, 09:07 PM	#35
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by Danno We don't suck at developing LB's We suck at drafting LB's. Hopefully that's changed this year. Joe Vitt is just a scapegoat for the woefully uninformed. Should the same be said of Bill Johnson - maybe to a higher degree since the Saints have spent higher draft picks on D-linemen without much success in developing them to be "the best they could be?!" Granted there are some success stories there, but the effort and money spent on the D-line hasn't really produced significant returns on the field. I've read some articles which claim that BJ is considered one of the better D-line coaches in the league by his peers, but I don't see why. Are the D-coordinators making it impossible for him to get the most out of the players in forcing schemes upon him that are not conducive to success?! There were some good times with GW and the season before last was a good one too, but there's just no real consistency in development or on-the-field success.
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05-08-2015, 09:47 PM	#36
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by dam1953 My thoughts exactly. Maybe that's the problem with our "D". It appears that they follow the lead and don't put the maximum effort every week. Felt this about Junior most of last season

05-08-2015, 09:49 PM	#37
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Interesting point FinSaint... I hadn't thought about that. I was fed up with Vitt before I realized that we haven't given him a single young LB worth a damn. Bill Johnson though, I don't know... Interesting to think about that.

05-08-2015, 09:52 PM	#38
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Felt this about Junior most of last season Junior was one of our only defensive players trying last season. Hate on his use of social media and his struggles against the run, but the guy was one of the few who showed up last year.

05-08-2015, 11:07 PM	#39
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class You mean the same Junior who got dominated by a 3rd string LT week 1? Or the Junior who more than once just stood there instead of rushing the QB? Everyone played like hot garbage last year on defense, no one gets a pass

05-08-2015, 11:13 PM	#40
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Joe Vitt: Saints put more work than ever into this draft class This team will continue to piss away the last few years of Brees as long as Vitt, Johnson and McMahon are still around. Even with the guys added in the draft, I'm not convinced this team is any better than 9-7 this year. I hope they prove me wrong but I just don't see it Danno - Brees has said more than once about how entertaining Vitt's stories are on road trips and in the locker room

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