Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million

Danno · 06-03-2015, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way.

Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting.

Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night.

How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..?

I hear he's pretty good...

I could not have said that any better Finster.

Well, I could have but why bother, you nailed it!

Excellent post.

hagan714 · 06-02-2015, 06:15 PM

quick look at cap hits WITHOUT looking dates contracts signed and such. Also not knowing the details of the Jordan contract

Charles Johnson $20,020,000
Mario Williams $19,400,000
Robert Quinn $16,744,111
Jason Pierre-Paul $14,813,000
Calais Campbell $14,750,000
J.J. Watt $13,969,000

Chris Long $12,500,000

Cameron Wake $10,450,000
Everson Griffen $8,200,000
Cliff Avril $8,000,000
Michael Bennett $8,000,000

so all in all it would appears to be a solid deal given the cap increases and the insane contract dollars we are talking about in today's NFL.

at the end of this deal Cam could end up being a bargain. Even if he just turns in a solid performance over that time period.

Once again gotta see how this break downs cap wise before a thumbs up or down rating is given

It is all about cap hit

hagan714 · 06-02-2015, 06:45 PM

Saints Trying To Stay Ahead Of Curve With Jordan Contract

jeanpierre · 06-02-2015, 07:05 PM

Will deals for Cam Jordan, Junior Galette become a Will Smith-Charles Grant redux?: Larry Holder | NOLA.com

hagan714 · 06-02-2015, 07:16 PM

cap break down then judge.

ScottF · 06-02-2015, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

cap break down then judge.

nothing on spottrac or over the cap yet...

He was a $7 million cap hit this year, so expect that to come down, and the deal is really for 55 plus a chance at an additional 5
My guess is that it is cap friendly and that both sides are smiling

hagan714 · 06-03-2015, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

nothing on spottrac or over the cap yet...

He was a $7 million cap hit this year, so expect that to come down, and the deal is really for 55 plus a chance at an additional 5
My guess is that it is cap friendly and that both sides are smiling

this year is not really a big deal. 2016 is the number i want to see the most. 2017 is turn the team on its head year. ton of top cap dollars will be free agents so it will be hard to figure that all out till the dust settles.

Schmohams · 06-02-2015, 08:15 PM

1 of 3 players with 25 sacks and 10 passes defended in the past 3 years.

The other two?
Watt and Houston

Never missed a game his whole career, good sign.

jeanpierre · 06-02-2015, 08:16 PM

Don't know why they'd want to bring his cap number down now, get it done and off the books...

Short of a trade, don't see the need as there's no quality free agents of need left to sign...

blackangold · 06-02-2015, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't know why they'd want to bring his cap number down now, get it done and off the books...

Short of a trade, don't see the need as there's no quality free agents of need left to sign...

Doesn't cap savings carry over to the next year?

06-03-2015, 05:11 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by FinSaint Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying. Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way. Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting. Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night. How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..? I hear he's pretty good... I could not have said that any better Finster. Well, I could have but why bother, you nailed it! Excellent post.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million quick look at cap hits WITHOUT looking dates contracts signed and such. Also not knowing the details of the Jordan contract Charles Johnson $20,020,000 Mario Williams $19,400,000 Robert Quinn $16,744,111 Jason Pierre-Paul $14,813,000 Calais Campbell $14,750,000 J.J. Watt $13,969,000 Chris Long $12,500,000 Cameron Wake $10,450,000 Everson Griffen $8,200,000 Cliff Avril $8,000,000 Michael Bennett $8,000,000 so all in all it would appears to be a solid deal given the cap increases and the insane contract dollars we are talking about in today's NFL. at the end of this deal Cam could end up being a bargain. Even if he just turns in a solid performance over that time period. Once again gotta see how this break downs cap wise before a thumbs up or down rating is given It is all about cap hit ScottF likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Saints Trying To Stay Ahead Of Curve With Jordan Contract

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by hagan714 cap break down then judge. nothing on spottrac or over the cap yet... He was a $7 million cap hit this year, so expect that to come down, and the deal is really for 55 plus a chance at an additional 5 My guess is that it is cap friendly and that both sides are smiling

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by ScottF nothing on spottrac or over the cap yet... He was a $7 million cap hit this year, so expect that to come down, and the deal is really for 55 plus a chance at an additional 5 My guess is that it is cap friendly and that both sides are smiling this year is not really a big deal. 2016 is the number i want to see the most. 2017 is turn the team on its head year. ton of top cap dollars will be free agents so it will be hard to figure that all out till the dust settles.

06-02-2015, 08:15 PM	#8
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million 1 of 3 players with 25 sacks and 10 passes defended in the past 3 years. The other two? Watt and Houston Never missed a game his whole career, good sign. saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and CharityMike like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Don't know why they'd want to bring his cap number down now, get it done and off the books... Short of a trade, don't see the need as there's no quality free agents of need left to sign...

06-02-2015, 09:04 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't know why they'd want to bring his cap number down now, get it done and off the books... Short of a trade, don't see the need as there's no quality free agents of need left to sign... Doesn't cap savings carry over to the next year?

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