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jeanpierre 06-03-2015 01:21 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 657067)
Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.

Who sets those guidelines?!? < That's rhetorical

https://www.google.com/#q=rhetorical

FinSaint 06-03-2015 04:06 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 657067)
One thing I have learned from my years digging into all the information that I can is that it impossible to ever know the motivations of management and such. Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.


Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way.

Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting.

Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night.


How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..?

I hear he's pretty good...

Danno 06-03-2015 05:11 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 657106)
Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way.

Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting.

Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night.


How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..?

I hear he's pretty good...

I could not have said that any better Finster. :drink:

Well, I could have but why bother, you nailed it!:p

Excellent post.

burningmetal 06-03-2015 10:30 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
I'm not a huge fan of this deal. His production dropped off drastically, and while it was one year it still lends plenty of doubt for that much money.

He could play himself worthy of it, but this wasn't something that had to be done now. Wait til the end of this upcoming season and see how or if he bounces back. I'm sure people will say "yeah but if he has a great season he'll ask for more money next year". I'll take my chances. It seems like we paid him based on his best season, and the hopes that he can duplicate it again. I don't think he's capable of actually exceeding what he did in '13.

But it's done now, so I hope he at least plays with more consistency.

darksoul35 06-04-2015 07:40 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 656966)
We all knew this was coming. Loomis always extends contracts for mediocre players.

IDK I think he is a way above average DE that actually plays both ways. Its hard to really dominate when the whole O-line is focused on you because there are no threats from the LBs. I think our LB core got a lot better and it will help his game.

Danno 06-04-2015 08:19 AM

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He had a down year for sure, but he had plenty of help.

He had an injured Bunkley and injured Jenkins inside that made his job more difficult.

Our best LB was a SF reject in Haralson. Solid player but he isn't worrying anyone. He had Lofton at MIKE, kinda slow, and the worst secondary in the NFL behind him.

But even with all that he should have played better than he did. I expect a bounce back season from him, and everyone else on defense that was associated with our humiliating 2014 season.

saintsfan1976 06-04-2015 09:08 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 657179)
He had a down year for sure, but he had plenty of help.

He had an injured Bunkley and injured Jenkins inside that made his job more difficult.

Our best LB was a SF reject in Haralson. Solid player but he isn't worrying anyone. He had Lofton at MIKE, kinda slow, and the worst secondary in the NFL behind him.

But even with all that he should have played better than he did. I expect a bounce back season from him, and everyone else on defense that was associated with our humiliating 2014 season.



May I cut and paste your quote into the Vaccaro thread?

Danno 06-04-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 657185)
May I cut and paste your quote into the Vaccaro thread?

I may have already typed the same thing in that thread, and a few others.

Its like a generic "insert player name" observation.

jeanpierre 06-04-2015 11:46 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 657185)
May I cut and paste your quote into the Vaccaro thread?

Fine example of 'Savoir-Faire' !


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