Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees

burningmetal · 06-07-2015, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Do guys like Manning & Brady almost never get hit because of their offensive lines (possibly in Brady's case) or because they know how to move in the pocket (as in Manning's case)? I don't think Manning has fused vertebrae or whatever because he almost never gets hit ... I think the reason guys like Brady/Manning/Brees are at the top of the game at their ages is simply because they know how to play (students of the game).

With all due respect to your point, Drew Brees used to be praised for his ability to feel the pressure and step up. The past couple years he's been getting hit a lot more, and I'll leave you to tell me why that is.

I have watched Manning and Brady for their whole careers just like you. I'm not saying they don't have any ability to step away from pressure, but when I have watched these guys they have rarely had to step up. They have been well protected for the vast majority of their careers.

That doesn't mean they never, ever get hit. You pointed out Manning's neck surgery. That's a freak thing. You get worn down after years of being hit, but a serious injury can happen in an instant. The Broncos offensive line had some injuries last year, and Manning , for the first time I can remember, was consistently harassed down the stretch... It showed in his play.

Please note that none of this is to take away from any of these guys. They are the best at what they do because they are the best. It's that simple. This isn't an argument of why they are good, on my part. Just making some observations.

burningmetal · 06-07-2015, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So if we protect Drew Brees he can play till 40

Maybe so. But my point is about what has been going on the last couple of years. I guess if he never got hit he could play til he's 50. But unfortunately, that has not been the case. He can still play at a high level if he's protected, yes. That's not hard to answer. Do I think he's got the same arm strength to make all the throws down the field consistently as he used to? From what I see on the field, no. His decision making has, at times, been atrocious. To what do we attribute that? I really don't know. But seeing is believing. That's something that is completely mental, and whether he comes out of that I don't know. Hopefully if he has more time he'll think a little more clearly.

QBREES9 · 06-07-2015, 11:27 PM

Decline, what decline

saintsfan1976 · 06-08-2015, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Maybe so. But my point is about what has been going on the last couple of years. I guess if he never got hit he could play til he's 50. But unfortunately, that has not been the case. He can still play at a high level if he's protected, yes. That's not hard to answer. Do I think he's got the same arm strength to make all the throws down the field consistently as he used to? From what I see on the field, no. His decision making has, at times, been atrocious. To what do we attribute that? I really don't know. But seeing is believing. That's something that is completely mental, and whether he comes out of that I don't know. Hopefully if he has more time he'll think a little more clearly.

Sure arm strength is a little less.

But the "mental" thing... I don't agree at all. The only factor changing Drew mentality is 2-3 280lb players in his face before receivers get into their breaks.

Besides, he admitted trying to do "too much" to help the team win last year. At least he was trying....

darksoul35 · 06-08-2015, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Here's your top three oldest starting QB's in the NFL, and coincidently three of your top QB's in the game (age approx. in 2015):

1. Peyton Manning, DEN (39)
2. Tom Brady, NE (38)
3. Drew Brees, NO (36)

Tony Romo's (DAL) 35, Phil Rivers (SD) & Roethlisberger (PIT) both 33, Eli's (NYG) 34 ... just sayin', doesn't seem like age is that big a factor in a QB's decline nowadays. Betcha' Manning/Brady are chasing a few George Blanda (OAK) longevity records,

Especially when you can only two hand touch them. By the time Roger is done with this game Qbs will be able to play until they draw social security.

Mardigras9 · 06-08-2015, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Both of which just so happen to follow the decline in the offensive line..

and that is all

RaginCajun83 · 06-08-2015, 03:28 PM

Jesus H Christ that had to be one of the worst articles written since 2012 about the Saints, stupid hack needs to be fired

burningmetal · 06-09-2015, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Sure arm strength is a little less.

But the "mental" thing... I don't agree at all. The only factor changing Drew mentality is 2-3 280lb players in his face before receivers get into their breaks.

Besides, he admitted trying to do "too much" to help the team win last year. At least he was trying....

I'm afraid I don't understand how you can disagree with the mental part. That isn't really even an opinion. It's a fact. Making bad decisions is mental. I'm not calling him a mental patient, just stating the obvious.

I know about guys baring down on him, and the wear factor is what I've been talking about with the physical part of his game. I made the point about the O-line several times in this thread.

When I say bad decisions, that has nothing to do with the instances where he's getting hit as he releases. I'm talking about throwing the ball into a crowd of defenders, staring down his main target (who is no longer here, of course) or trying some desperate underhanded shuffle right into the hands of a defender who was standing right in front him (can't remember which game it was, I just remember that play).

Those aren't plays that are indicative of the old Drew, and it has nothing to do with age. That's all about decision making, and you don't make decisions with your arms or legs. It's all upstairs. I didn't suggest he wasn't smart or that he was losing it, but he has definitely not been as sharp.

I also didn't say he wasn't trying. I know he is, and he's a stand up guy when he makes mistakes. None of that negates the point. If he's trying to do too much, then he's not playing smart. There is plenty of blame to go around for why he even feels that kind of pressure to do it all, but he's still got to take what's there and not force it. Turnovers have killed us.

Thirty3 · 06-09-2015, 08:11 AM

Why is THIS still up??

jeanpierre · 07-22-2015, 06:01 AM

Opposing coach on Drew Brees: 'He is just losing his juice'

This stuff just won't go away...

06-07-2015, 10:45 PM	#31
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Originally Posted by SloMotion Do guys like Manning & Brady almost never get hit because of their offensive lines (possibly in Brady's case) or because they know how to move in the pocket (as in Manning's case)? I don't think Manning has fused vertebrae or whatever because he almost never gets hit ... I think the reason guys like Brady/Manning/Brees are at the top of the game at their ages is simply because they know how to play (students of the game). With all due respect to your point, Drew Brees used to be praised for his ability to feel the pressure and step up. The past couple years he's been getting hit a lot more, and I'll leave you to tell me why that is. I have watched Manning and Brady for their whole careers just like you. I'm not saying they don't have any ability to step away from pressure, but when I have watched these guys they have rarely had to step up. They have been well protected for the vast majority of their careers. That doesn't mean they never, ever get hit. You pointed out Manning's neck surgery. That's a freak thing. You get worn down after years of being hit, but a serious injury can happen in an instant. The Broncos offensive line had some injuries last year, and Manning , for the first time I can remember, was consistently harassed down the stretch... It showed in his play. Please note that none of this is to take away from any of these guys. They are the best at what they do because they are the best. It's that simple. This isn't an argument of why they are good, on my part. Just making some observations.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

06-07-2015, 10:52 PM	#32
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So if we protect Drew Brees he can play till 40 Maybe so. But my point is about what has been going on the last couple of years. I guess if he never got hit he could play til he's 50. But unfortunately, that has not been the case. He can still play at a high level if he's protected, yes. That's not hard to answer. Do I think he's got the same arm strength to make all the throws down the field consistently as he used to? From what I see on the field, no. His decision making has, at times, been atrocious. To what do we attribute that? I really don't know. But seeing is believing. That's something that is completely mental, and whether he comes out of that I don't know. Hopefully if he has more time he'll think a little more clearly.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

06-07-2015, 11:27 PM	#33
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Decline, what decline

06-08-2015, 06:47 AM	#34
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Originally Posted by burningmetal Maybe so. But my point is about what has been going on the last couple of years. I guess if he never got hit he could play til he's 50. But unfortunately, that has not been the case. He can still play at a high level if he's protected, yes. That's not hard to answer. Do I think he's got the same arm strength to make all the throws down the field consistently as he used to? From what I see on the field, no. His decision making has, at times, been atrocious. To what do we attribute that? I really don't know. But seeing is believing. That's something that is completely mental, and whether he comes out of that I don't know. Hopefully if he has more time he'll think a little more clearly. Sure arm strength is a little less. But the "mental" thing... I don't agree at all. The only factor changing Drew mentality is 2-3 280lb players in his face before receivers get into their breaks. Besides, he admitted trying to do "too much" to help the team win last year. At least he was trying....

06-08-2015, 07:34 AM	#35
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Originally Posted by SloMotion Here's your top three oldest starting QB's in the NFL, and coincidently three of your top QB's in the game (age approx. in 2015): 1. Peyton Manning, DEN (39) 2. Tom Brady, NE (38) 3. Drew Brees, NO (36) Tony Romo's (DAL) 35, Phil Rivers (SD) & Roethlisberger (PIT) both 33, Eli's (NYG) 34 ... just sayin', doesn't seem like age is that big a factor in a QB's decline nowadays. Betcha' Manning/Brady are chasing a few George Blanda (OAK) longevity records, Especially when you can only two hand touch them. By the time Roger is done with this game Qbs will be able to play until they draw social security. Danno and RaginCajun83 like this.
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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Originally Posted by spkb25 Both of which just so happen to follow the decline in the offensive line.. and that is all

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06-09-2015, 03:23 AM	#38
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: New Orleans Saints concerned about decline in Drew Brees Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Sure arm strength is a little less. But the "mental" thing... I don't agree at all. The only factor changing Drew mentality is 2-3 280lb players in his face before receivers get into their breaks. Besides, he admitted trying to do "too much" to help the team win last year. At least he was trying.... I'm afraid I don't understand how you can disagree with the mental part. That isn't really even an opinion. It's a fact. Making bad decisions is mental. I'm not calling him a mental patient, just stating the obvious. I know about guys baring down on him, and the wear factor is what I've been talking about with the physical part of his game. I made the point about the O-line several times in this thread. When I say bad decisions, that has nothing to do with the instances where he's getting hit as he releases. I'm talking about throwing the ball into a crowd of defenders, staring down his main target (who is no longer here, of course) or trying some desperate underhanded shuffle right into the hands of a defender who was standing right in front him (can't remember which game it was, I just remember that play). Those aren't plays that are indicative of the old Drew, and it has nothing to do with age. That's all about decision making, and you don't make decisions with your arms or legs. It's all upstairs. I didn't suggest he wasn't smart or that he was losing it, but he has definitely not been as sharp. I also didn't say he wasn't trying. I know he is, and he's a stand up guy when he makes mistakes. None of that negates the point. If he's trying to do too much, then he's not playing smart. There is plenty of blame to go around for why he even feels that kind of pressure to do it all, but he's still got to take what's there and not force it. Turnovers have killed us.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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