To all Brooks' Bashers.

GumboBC · 01-31-2005, 03:10 PM

The Brooks' bashers always have to have something to hang their hat on every year.

And this year is no different.

Here are some of the most used.

1. Aaron Brooks' backward pass: Yep, he did it. I saw him myself, so I know he did it. Was it foolish? You betcha. But I also saw Tom Brady make one of the most foolish plays I've ever seen too. As Brady was being tackled, he threw the ball underhanded, and almost behind his head , to a defensive linemen when there was absolutely no Patriot in sight who had a chance of catching the ball. I saw Favre make some of the most stupid throws too.

2. Brooks calling himself a great QB who has played on an average team.

Did Brooks say it? Yep. But it's never put in context. The whole thing came up right before the Saints played Delhomme and the Panthers. Brooks was being compared to Delhomme, over and over and over. And Brooks was tired of all the comparisons.

Brooks said Jake was a fine QB who had the luxary of playing on a great team that went to the super bowl. Then, not wisely, Brooks said he was a great QB who has played on some bad teams.

Brooks wasn't putting down any indivdual player. He was talking about the overall performace of the team as the reason why the Saints haven't won as many games as the Panthers.

Brooks saying he was great was not wise. But I'm sure its frustrating to be dogged by the media like Brooks has been and Brooks did go out and back it up when he beat the Panthers.

Let's not fool ourselves here. MANY QBs have made stupid remarks to the media. Chad Pennington looked like a whiny little brat when he blamed the N.Y. media. And lets not forget the Kurt Warner situation a couple of years back.

While I wished Brooks would not say some things in the media (because he can never win that battle) I do understand where he's coming from.

Brooks has to live with the criticism (unfair) every waking hour. On the street, in the resturants, in the media, in the super dome.

All things considered Brooks has really handled the situation pretty well. Probably better than I would have.

Terry Bradshaw stayed away from Pittsburg for about 20-years because of the way the fans and media treated him. He was hurt by the criticism. Don't tell me it doesn't affect players. I know for a FACT that it does.

And I know that receiving criticism can cause a player to say stupid things. And coaches too.

There are some fans here who like to bring up these things over and over and over and over. That's fine.

But, don't fool yourselves. Cause you sure ain't fooling me and a lot of other folks.

Now get out there and do some Brooks' bashing. I have no doubt you will.

saintswhodi · 01-31-2005, 03:12 PM

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ScottyRo · 01-31-2005, 03:22 PM

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Sweet reply

Saint_LB · 01-31-2005, 03:22 PM

Some people are OK with having a cancer on the team, some are not. Jim Hazlett, OK....Dusty Baker, not OK...goodbye Sammy, I hope you like Baltimore.

Dude, I think you need to give it a rest. Those fans who are not OK with it will never change their mind.

WhoDat · 01-31-2005, 03:23 PM

Billy, Billy, Billy. You still don\'t get it.

Let me make an easy argument: after the Tackle position, could you upgrade the team more significantly with a single move than you could by replacing AB?

Look - I don\'t doubt that AB has talent. That\'s not the issue. To me, consistency and efficiency are the most important things a QB can have. Give me a poor athlete (a la Brady or Delhomme) who knows the game like a coach over an athlete who can\'t read a defense. It\'s just my opinion, but it\'s a formula that seems to have worked.

You seem to deny the fact that AB is inconsistent. You point to a single comment, or a single play, and then say - so what? I saw this guy or that guy make one bad play too. That\'s not the point, and you know it. It\'s generally accepted that AB is completely inconsistent. The local and national media have been reporting that for years. Even \"rumors\" put in print from the Saints organization have suggested that AB needs to mature and play more consistently.

You seem to yell and scream at guys like Horn or Stallworth b/c they drop passes - in other words, they make a play and then botch one. You know that hurts the team. Well no person\'s play single-handedly effects an entire team as much as the QB\'s, and AB is on then off. I don\'t think AB is as talented as you do, nor do I think he has much football smarts. However, the guy could be an average to good QB if he could just get his head straight and play more even keel. The most frustrating part about him is that he has flashes where he exceeds even your most optimistic expectations. Then he follows those up with plays that make you wonder if he should be selling hotdogs instead of acting like one.

baronm · 01-31-2005, 03:27 PM

Look - I don\'t doubt that AB has talent. That\'s not the issue. To me, consistency and efficiency are the most important things a QB can have. Give me a poor athlete (a la Brady or Delhomme) who knows the game like a coach over an athlete who can\'t read a defense. It\'s just my opinion, but it\'s a formula that seems to have worked.

excatly..and it\'s just getting worse..it\'s like in the nba-they want the flashy dunkers over the guys who can play their POSITION.

look-brooks is a talented athlete, but not a very good football player..unless he develops into a football player he is a weak spot on this team.

gumbo-i just have to ask---if brooks were white would you be crying for his head? It seems like you were the first to play the race card with brooks-when most of the rest of us were looking at production. the more I read your posts the more I\'m inclined to wonder about where your coming from.

saintswhodi · 01-31-2005, 03:30 PM

*saintswhodi starts slow clap for WhoDat*

Scotty, it was an honest representation of what I was doing soon as I saw the title of the thread. Classic.

GumboBC · 01-31-2005, 03:35 PM

Billy, Billy, Billy. You still don\'t get it.

Let me make an easy argument: after the Tackle position, could you upgrade the team more significantly with a single move than you could by replacing AB?

You\'re right and you\'re wrong, WhoDat. Mostly wrong.

Changing the QB can be the most significant move. It could make the team significantly better or WORSE. It depends on if that is the problem.

Take Philly for example. Terell Owens made the most significant difference of any offseason signing. I suppose they could have replaced McNabb and gotten the same result.

You seem to deny the fact we have an inconsistent offensive line, inconsistent receivers, and, according to you, inconsistent play calling. You you seem to deny that the QB is affected the most by all of that. But, yet, you want to suggest that changing Brooks is the move to make.

Hmmmmmmm.....

Just doesn\'t add up to me, WhoDat.

[Edited on 31/1/2005 by GumboBC]

RDOX · 01-31-2005, 03:36 PM

Billy, Billy, Billy. You still don\'t get it.

Let me make an easy argument: after the Tackle position, could you upgrade the team more significantly with a single move than you could by replacing AB?

Look - I don\'t doubt that AB has talent. That\'s not the issue. To me, consistency and efficiency are the most important things a QB can have. Give me a poor athlete (a la Brady or Delhomme) who knows the game like a coach over an athlete who can\'t read a defense. It\'s just my opinion, but it\'s a formula that seems to have worked.

You seem to deny the fact that AB is inconsistent. You point to a single comment, or a single play, and then say - so what? I saw this guy or that guy make one bad play too. That\'s not the point, and you know it. It\'s generally accepted that AB is completely inconsistent. The local and national media have been reporting that for years. Even \"rumors\" put in print from the Saints organization have suggested that AB needs to mature and play more consistently.

You seem to yell and scream at guys like Horn or Stallworth b/c they drop passes - in other words, they make a play and then botch one. You know that hurts the team. Well no person\'s play single-handedly effects an entire team as much as the QB\'s, and AB is on then off. I don\'t think AB is as talented as you do, nor do I think he has much football smarts. However, the guy could be an average to good QB if he could just get his head straight and play more even keel. The most frustrating part about him is that he has flashes where he exceeds even your most optimistic expectations. Then he follows those up with plays that make you wonder if he should be selling hotdogs instead of acting like one.

I have come to the conclusion that Gumbo BC or \"Billy\" as you call him is about 14-15 years old. He certainly does not have that high of an education level, because his arguments are circular, and do not hold any type of consistency in that he argues one point one way in this thread and then reverses his position exactly 180 degrees in another. I have concluded that he enjoys posting arguments for the sake of ranting on this forum to stir up the general population.

I make this statement because I have seen his immature, ignorant, and obtuse arguments about the value of coaching, quarterbacking, and others that tend to go round and round with no conclusion or logic. The other possibilities are that he is severly brain injured or schizophrenic. I don\'t know which, but trying to submit any logical response to his posts are fruitless. :seeingstars: :smile_argue:

baronm · 01-31-2005, 03:37 PM

Changing the QB can be the most significant move. It could make the team significantly better or WORSE. It depends on if that is the problem.

okay-even though I don\'t totally agree..i\'ll agree with this--so either 1. we get into the playoffs or 2. we get a high draft pick-but atleast we won\'t be lukewarm anymore.

01-31-2005, 03:10 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	To all Brooks' Bashers. The Brooks' bashers always have to have something to hang their hat on every year. And this year is no different. Here are some of the most used. 1. Aaron Brooks' backward pass: Yep, he did it. I saw him myself, so I know he did it. Was it foolish? You betcha. But I also saw Tom Brady make one of the most foolish plays I've ever seen too. As Brady was being tackled, he threw the ball underhanded, and almost behind his head , to a defensive linemen when there was absolutely no Patriot in sight who had a chance of catching the ball. I saw Favre make some of the most stupid throws too. 2. Brooks calling himself a great QB who has played on an average team. Did Brooks say it? Yep. But it's never put in context. The whole thing came up right before the Saints played Delhomme and the Panthers. Brooks was being compared to Delhomme, over and over and over. And Brooks was tired of all the comparisons. Brooks said Jake was a fine QB who had the luxary of playing on a great team that went to the super bowl. Then, not wisely, Brooks said he was a great QB who has played on some bad teams. Brooks wasn't putting down any indivdual player. He was talking about the overall performace of the team as the reason why the Saints haven't won as many games as the Panthers. Brooks saying he was great was not wise. But I'm sure its frustrating to be dogged by the media like Brooks has been and Brooks did go out and back it up when he beat the Panthers. Let's not fool ourselves here. MANY QBs have made stupid remarks to the media. Chad Pennington looked like a whiny little brat when he blamed the N.Y. media. And lets not forget the Kurt Warner situation a couple of years back. While I wished Brooks would not say some things in the media (because he can never win that battle) I do understand where he's coming from. Brooks has to live with the criticism (unfair) every waking hour. On the street, in the resturants, in the media, in the super dome. All things considered Brooks has really handled the situation pretty well. Probably better than I would have. Terry Bradshaw stayed away from Pittsburg for about 20-years because of the way the fans and media treated him. He was hurt by the criticism. Don't tell me it doesn't affect players. I know for a FACT that it does. And I know that receiving criticism can cause a player to say stupid things. And coaches too. There are some fans here who like to bring up these things over and over and over and over. That's fine. But, don't fool yourselves. Cause you sure ain't fooling me and a lot of other folks. Now get out there and do some Brooks' bashing. I have no doubt you will.
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01-31-2005, 03:12 PM	#2
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01-31-2005, 03:23 PM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	To all Brooks' Bashers. Billy, Billy, Billy. You still don\'t get it. Let me make an easy argument: after the Tackle position, could you upgrade the team more significantly with a single move than you could by replacing AB? Look - I don\'t doubt that AB has talent. That\'s not the issue. To me, consistency and efficiency are the most important things a QB can have. Give me a poor athlete (a la Brady or Delhomme) who knows the game like a coach over an athlete who can\'t read a defense. It\'s just my opinion, but it\'s a formula that seems to have worked. You seem to deny the fact that AB is inconsistent. You point to a single comment, or a single play, and then say - so what? I saw this guy or that guy make one bad play too. That\'s not the point, and you know it. It\'s generally accepted that AB is completely inconsistent. The local and national media have been reporting that for years. Even \"rumors\" put in print from the Saints organization have suggested that AB needs to mature and play more consistently. You seem to yell and scream at guys like Horn or Stallworth b/c they drop passes - in other words, they make a play and then botch one. You know that hurts the team. Well no person\'s play single-handedly effects an entire team as much as the QB\'s, and AB is on then off. I don\'t think AB is as talented as you do, nor do I think he has much football smarts. However, the guy could be an average to good QB if he could just get his head straight and play more even keel. The most frustrating part about him is that he has flashes where he exceeds even your most optimistic expectations. Then he follows those up with plays that make you wonder if he should be selling hotdogs instead of acting like one.
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01-31-2005, 03:27 PM	#6
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	To all Brooks' Bashers. Look - I don\'t doubt that AB has talent. That\'s not the issue. To me, consistency and efficiency are the most important things a QB can have. Give me a poor athlete (a la Brady or Delhomme) who knows the game like a coach over an athlete who can\'t read a defense. It\'s just my opinion, but it\'s a formula that seems to have worked. excatly..and it\'s just getting worse..it\'s like in the nba-they want the flashy dunkers over the guys who can play their POSITION. look-brooks is a talented athlete, but not a very good football player..unless he develops into a football player he is a weak spot on this team. gumbo-i just have to ask---if brooks were white would you be crying for his head? It seems like you were the first to play the race card with brooks-when most of the rest of us were looking at production. the more I read your posts the more I\'m inclined to wonder about where your coming from.
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01-31-2005, 03:30 PM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	To all Brooks' Bashers. saintswhodi starts slow clap for WhoDat Scotty, it was an honest representation of what I was doing soon as I saw the title of the thread. Classic.

01-31-2005, 03:35 PM	#8
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	To all Brooks' Bashers. Billy, Billy, Billy. You still don\'t get it. Let me make an easy argument: after the Tackle position, could you upgrade the team more significantly with a single move than you could by replacing AB? You\'re right and you\'re wrong, WhoDat. Mostly wrong. Changing the QB can be the most significant move. It could make the team significantly better or WORSE. It depends on if that is the problem. Take Philly for example. Terell Owens made the most significant difference of any offseason signing. I suppose they could have replaced McNabb and gotten the same result. You seem to deny the fact we have an inconsistent offensive line, inconsistent receivers, and, according to you, inconsistent play calling. You you seem to deny that the QB is affected the most by all of that. But, yet, you want to suggest that changing Brooks is the move to make. Hmmmmmmm..... Just doesn\'t add up to me, WhoDat. [Edited on 31/1/2005 by GumboBC]
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01-31-2005, 03:36 PM	#9
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	To all Brooks' Bashers. Billy, Billy, Billy. You still don\'t get it. Let me make an easy argument: after the Tackle position, could you upgrade the team more significantly with a single move than you could by replacing AB? Look - I don\'t doubt that AB has talent. That\'s not the issue. To me, consistency and efficiency are the most important things a QB can have. Give me a poor athlete (a la Brady or Delhomme) who knows the game like a coach over an athlete who can\'t read a defense. It\'s just my opinion, but it\'s a formula that seems to have worked. You seem to deny the fact that AB is inconsistent. You point to a single comment, or a single play, and then say - so what? I saw this guy or that guy make one bad play too. That\'s not the point, and you know it. It\'s generally accepted that AB is completely inconsistent. The local and national media have been reporting that for years. Even \"rumors\" put in print from the Saints organization have suggested that AB needs to mature and play more consistently. You seem to yell and scream at guys like Horn or Stallworth b/c they drop passes - in other words, they make a play and then botch one. You know that hurts the team. Well no person\'s play single-handedly effects an entire team as much as the QB\'s, and AB is on then off. I don\'t think AB is as talented as you do, nor do I think he has much football smarts. However, the guy could be an average to good QB if he could just get his head straight and play more even keel. The most frustrating part about him is that he has flashes where he exceeds even your most optimistic expectations. Then he follows those up with plays that make you wonder if he should be selling hotdogs instead of acting like one. I have come to the conclusion that Gumbo BC or \"Billy\" as you call him is about 14-15 years old. He certainly does not have that high of an education level, because his arguments are circular, and do not hold any type of consistency in that he argues one point one way in this thread and then reverses his position exactly 180 degrees in another. I have concluded that he enjoys posting arguments for the sake of ranting on this forum to stir up the general population. I make this statement because I have seen his immature, ignorant, and obtuse arguments about the value of coaching, quarterbacking, and others that tend to go round and round with no conclusion or logic. The other possibilities are that he is severly brain injured or schizophrenic. I don\'t know which, but trying to submit any logical response to his posts are fruitless. :seeingstars: :smile_argue:
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01-31-2005, 03:37 PM	#10
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	To all Brooks' Bashers. Changing the QB can be the most significant move. It could make the team significantly better or WORSE. It depends on if that is the problem. okay-even though I don\'t totally agree..i\'ll agree with this--so either 1. we get into the playoffs or 2. we get a high draft pick-but atleast we won\'t be lukewarm anymore.
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954