Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice

Danno · 07-31-2015, 03:28 PM

I love how everyone is riding the wave of the defense is the sole problem of last years woes.

Wrong again. Just because YOU said it was all the Offense's fault doesn't mean everyone who disagrees with that thinks its ONLY the Defense's fault.

Cruize · 07-31-2015, 04:26 PM

The front office sucked. The coaching was horrible. The play was bad. The 2014 New Orleans Saints.

homerj07 · 07-31-2015, 06:53 PM

Can't be any worse than 14 and sure as hell no worse than 12

jeanpierre · 08-01-2015, 01:58 AM

Really don't get the round peg/square hole approach on defense...

Finally, FINALLY, start drafting personnel to scheme a 3-4 defense...

Which, as a scheme, is better suited to today's passing game and then decide to go with a 4-3?!?

Creeping in the back of thoughts is the possibility of FO want to justify Cam Jordan's contract after justifiable criticism of the Galette contract...

Consider what has transpired...

Man-up for 3-4 ILB in the first round in Stephone Anthony...

Get great value in an ideal, proven 3-4 OLB in Hau'oli Kikaha...

Then somehow steal another OLB in Davis Tull in the 5th round...

Trade for another ILB, Ellerbe, who's best days were in Baltimore's 3-4...

Have good rotational OLB in Powell, a former consensus No.1 Prep player...

And great veteran experience in Parys Haralson...

Not to mention trading two draft picks just over two years ago for a proto-type NT...

But going to employ a 4-3 defense so Cam Jordan has more chances for sacks?!?

halloween 65 · 08-01-2015, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really don't get the round peg/square hole approach on defense...

Finally, FINALLY, start drafting personnel to scheme a 3-4 defense...

Which, as a scheme, is better suited to today's passing game and then decide to go with a 4-3?!?

Creeping in the back of thoughts is the possibility of FO want to justify Cam Jordan's contract after justifiable criticism of the Galette contract...

Consider what has transpired...

Man-up for 3-4 ILB in the first round in Stephone Anthony...

Get great value in an ideal, proven 3-4 OLB in Hau'oli Kikaha...

Then somehow steal another OLB in Davis Tull in the 5th round...

Trade for another ILB, Ellerbe, who's best days were in Baltimore's 3-4...

Have good rotational OLB in Powell, a former consensus No.1 Prep player...

And great veteran experience in Parys Haralson...

Not to mention trading two draft picks just over two years ago for a proto-type NT...

But going to employ a 4-3 defense so Cam Jordan has more chances for sacks?!?

Agree100% ,again. I don't get it either.

Danno · 08-01-2015, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But going to employ a 4-3 defense so Cam Jordan has more chances for sacks?!?

Agreed. I'm hoping that its just one of several packages that we will use during the season.

Its not a bad 1st down grouping at all. Shift to a traditional 3-4 on passing downs to get Kikihaha on the field as an OLB.

Anthony looks like he could easily play 4-3 MLB as well as ILB in a 3-4.

We're just exploring options, right?

jeanpierre · 08-01-2015, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Agreed. I'm hoping that its just one of several packages that we will use during the season.

Its not a bad 1st down grouping at all. Shift to a traditional 3-4 on passing downs to get Kikihaha on the field as an OLB.

Anthony looks like he could easily play 4-3 MLB as well as ILB in a 3-4.

We're just exploring options, right?

You're probably right, it's early and I'm overreacting because I've wanted to see this change to the 3-4 base since it was announced two years ago...

The game is so much faster today with the pass:run ratio and limited contact in pass defense...

The old 4-3 baseeffectiveness is limited to college and prep levels now, unless you have four/five first round picks in that group as the Jets have done (and yet they have nothing else except a quarterback on the verge of stardom [sic]...

And with our personnel vs depth, I just don't get having our best four defensive linemen out on the field full-time...

But again, it's early and Foster may have a return to full health and we may have some more undrafted free agent rookie gems once again...

Rather have out biggest three boys jamming their offensive line of five/six, having four linebackers swarming shutting down running and short/intermediate passing lanes, and our heavily-invested free safety coming up for the timely pick, pick-6...

Crusader · 07-30-2015, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

I sure hope this defense can not only stop the opposition but score as well. With so much riding on defense no one seems to want to give that STAGNANT offense of 2014 any blame. Well if you do blame them its a whisper of blame. Meanwhile everyone is SCREAMING bloody murder about our lack luster defense. As a die hard fan, roster wise I'm not excited at all. I sure hope I'm wrong only time will tell.

You are wrong. As usual.

Rugby Saint II · 07-30-2015, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

I sure hope this defense can not only stop the opposition but score as well. With so much riding on defense no one seems to want to give that STAGNANT offense of 2014 any blame. Well if you do blame them its a whisper of blame. Meanwhile everyone is SCREAMING bloody murder about our lack luster defense. As a die hard fan, roster wise I'm not excited at all. I sure hope I'm wrong only time will tell.

That stagnant offense finished in the top five of almost all categories.

While this team is led by Drew Brees we will be fine. No worries mon.

The Dude · 07-30-2015, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

I sure hope this defense can not only stop the opposition but score as well. With so much riding on defense no one seems to want to give that STAGNANT offense of 2014 any blame. Well if you do blame them its a whisper of blame. Meanwhile everyone is SCREAMING bloody murder about our lack luster defense. As a die hard fan, roster wise I'm not excited at all. I sure hope I'm wrong only time will tell.

Brees almost had 5k yards yet again with almost 69% passer rating. Ingram had a near 1000 yard season and we were still a top 5 offense in spite of receivers dropping half the balls thrown their way. If the defense had done its job and the offense didnt have to play catch up all the time we wouldnt have had to put up those kind of numbers and we likely would not have seen the turnovers and dropped balls. Any other team would take those offensive numbers in a heart beat.

Wrote this before I saw Dannos post but he pretty much said it all. If you think offense was the problem you are either spoiled or dont really know to much about the game of football.

07-31-2015, 03:28 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice I love how everyone is riding the wave of the defense is the sole problem of last years woes. Wrong again. Just because YOU said it was all the Offense's fault doesn't mean everyone who disagrees with that thinks its ONLY the Defense's fault.

07-31-2015, 04:26 PM	#2
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice The front office sucked. The coaching was horrible. The play was bad. The 2014 New Orleans Saints.
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07-31-2015, 06:53 PM	#3
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Can't be any worse than 14 and sure as hell no worse than 12

08-01-2015, 01:58 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Really don't get the round peg/square hole approach on defense... Finally, FINALLY, start drafting personnel to scheme a 3-4 defense... Which, as a scheme, is better suited to today's passing game and then decide to go with a 4-3?!? Creeping in the back of thoughts is the possibility of FO want to justify Cam Jordan's contract after justifiable criticism of the Galette contract... Consider what has transpired... Man-up for 3-4 ILB in the first round in Stephone Anthony... Get great value in an ideal, proven 3-4 OLB in Hau'oli Kikaha... Then somehow steal another OLB in Davis Tull in the 5th round... Trade for another ILB, Ellerbe, who's best days were in Baltimore's 3-4... Have good rotational OLB in Powell, a former consensus No.1 Prep player... And great veteran experience in Parys Haralson... Not to mention trading two draft picks just over two years ago for a proto-type NT... But going to employ a 4-3 defense so Cam Jordan has more chances for sacks?!?
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08-01-2015, 08:20 AM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really don't get the round peg/square hole approach on defense... Finally, FINALLY, start drafting personnel to scheme a 3-4 defense... Which, as a scheme, is better suited to today's passing game and then decide to go with a 4-3?!? Creeping in the back of thoughts is the possibility of FO want to justify Cam Jordan's contract after justifiable criticism of the Galette contract... Consider what has transpired... Man-up for 3-4 ILB in the first round in Stephone Anthony... Get great value in an ideal, proven 3-4 OLB in Hau'oli Kikaha... Then somehow steal another OLB in Davis Tull in the 5th round... Trade for another ILB, Ellerbe, who's best days were in Baltimore's 3-4... Have good rotational OLB in Powell, a former consensus No.1 Prep player... And great veteran experience in Parys Haralson... Not to mention trading two draft picks just over two years ago for a proto-type NT... But going to employ a 4-3 defense so Cam Jordan has more chances for sacks?!? Agree100% ,again. I don't get it either.

08-01-2015, 10:10 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Originally Posted by jeanpierre But going to employ a 4-3 defense so Cam Jordan has more chances for sacks?!? Agreed. I'm hoping that its just one of several packages that we will use during the season. Its not a bad 1st down grouping at all. Shift to a traditional 3-4 on passing downs to get Kikihaha on the field as an OLB. Anthony looks like he could easily play 4-3 MLB as well as ILB in a 3-4. We're just exploring options, right?

08-01-2015, 01:10 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Originally Posted by Danno Agreed. I'm hoping that its just one of several packages that we will use during the season. Its not a bad 1st down grouping at all. Shift to a traditional 3-4 on passing downs to get Kikihaha on the field as an OLB. Anthony looks like he could easily play 4-3 MLB as well as ILB in a 3-4. We're just exploring options, right? You're probably right, it's early and I'm overreacting because I've wanted to see this change to the 3-4 base since it was announced *two years ago... The game is so much faster today with the pass:run ratio and limited contact in pass defense... The old 4-3 baseeffectiveness is limited to college and prep levels now, unless you have four/five first round picks in that group as the Jets have done (and yet they have nothing else except a quarterback on the verge of stardom [sic]... And with our personnel vs depth, I just don't get having our best four defensive linemen out on the field full-time... But again, it's early and Foster may* have a return to full health and we may have some more undrafted free agent rookie gems once again... Rather have out biggest three boys jamming their offensive line of five/six, having four linebackers swarming shutting down running and short/intermediate passing lanes, and our heavily-invested free safety coming up for the timely pick, pick-6...
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07-30-2015, 04:29 PM	#8
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,044	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Originally Posted by teddybarexxx I sure hope this defense can not only stop the opposition but score as well. With so much riding on defense no one seems to want to give that STAGNANT offense of 2014 any blame. Well if you do blame them its a whisper of blame. Meanwhile everyone is SCREAMING bloody murder about our lack luster defense. As a die hard fan, roster wise I'm not excited at all. I sure hope I'm wrong only time will tell. You are wrong. As usual. Halo, ChrisXVI, SloMotion and 1 others like this.

07-30-2015, 04:30 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Originally Posted by teddybarexxx I sure hope this defense can not only stop the opposition but score as well. With so much riding on defense no one seems to want to give that STAGNANT offense of 2014 any blame. Well if you do blame them its a whisper of blame. Meanwhile everyone is SCREAMING bloody murder about our lack luster defense. As a die hard fan, roster wise I'm not excited at all. I sure hope I'm wrong only time will tell. That stagnant offense finished in the top five of almost all categories. While this team is led by Drew Brees we will be fine. No worries mon. Halo, QBREES9, woody and 1 others like this.

07-30-2015, 10:46 PM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Saints tinker with defensive line in first practice Originally Posted by teddybarexxx I sure hope this defense can not only stop the opposition but score as well. With so much riding on defense no one seems to want to give that STAGNANT offense of 2014 any blame. Well if you do blame them its a whisper of blame. Meanwhile everyone is SCREAMING bloody murder about our lack luster defense. As a die hard fan, roster wise I'm not excited at all. I sure hope I'm wrong only time will tell. Brees almost had 5k yards yet again with almost 69% passer rating. Ingram had a near 1000 yard season and we were still a top 5 offense in spite of receivers dropping half the balls thrown their way. If the defense had done its job and the offense didnt have to play catch up all the time we wouldnt have had to put up those kind of numbers and we likely would not have seen the turnovers and dropped balls. Any other team would take those offensive numbers in a heart beat. Wrote this before I saw Dannos post but he pretty much said it all. If you think offense was the problem you are either spoiled or dont really know to much about the game of football.
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