free agent rumblings

turbo_dog · 02-05-2005, 03:46 PM

...Saints are better off switching Donte to CB....
.. he can\'t catch them anyway... but he can get to the ball very quickly...

Running backwards and reacting to other players cuts and streaks instead of knowing where he\'s going... I\'m sure his hamstring would love that.

kmoore1 · 02-05-2005, 07:02 PM

The Saints should go after Patrick Surtain instead of Smoot. Miami gave him permission to seek a trade. Besides he is a Louisiana boy any way right?

ScottyRo · 02-05-2005, 07:27 PM

I think both these guys are going to cost more than we can afford. Whether there\'s room or not, Benson isn\'t likely to use all of the cap room.

If you\'ve been paying attention the last couple of years, you\'ll understand this. It\'s certainly something that can help the team, but I would be shocked for the org to make such a bold move.

Time will tell but don\'t get your hopes up too high. It\'ll only lead to you expressing greater anxiety over this in the future when they both go elsewhere.

vulture · 02-05-2005, 07:40 PM

I think the better move here is to resign McKenzie and pick up another CB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. Surtain, Smoot, and Rolle are just going to want too much money for a position that this staff has never being willing to pay.

[Edited on 6/2/2005 by vulture]

chRxis · 02-05-2005, 09:41 PM

forget smoot... he\'s all bark, no bite... he\'s not worth the asking price of 14 guaranteed million dollars... i say bring in anthony henry, ken lucas, or woodson from oakland... i doubt any of these three, which seem to be the best corners available in FA, will get any consideration from the saints, due to the fact that the car salesman would rather not spend money than put a good team on the field. another CB, rossum from atlanta, should be brought in as a KR/PR.

LKelley67 · 02-09-2005, 09:29 AM

from washington post today-

The Redskins have long been at an impasse with Smoot over the size of his signing bonus, and there is a sense among many at Redskins Park that he will depart as a free agent.
Gibbs is also optimistic that wide receiver Rod Gardner will be dealt next month when the trading period begins. Gardner\'s agent, Joel Segal, was granted permission to seek deals and spoke with Redskins salary cap manager Eric Schaffer several times recently to report outside interest, Gibbs said.
\"There seems to be some interest there, and there should be,\" Gibbs said. \"He\'s a good player.\"
Tampa Bay is expected to make a push for Gardner, and Baltimore could as well, with the Redskins likely receiving a mid-round draft pick in return.

----mid round for gardner sounds like a deal. he is a big guy known for making catches in traffic (a nice contrast to current n.o. group). he has only missed 3 games going into his fifth season. at 28 he could be ready for bigtime after being stuck in the woeful skins offense. good replacement for pathon or (gulp) horn if his demands are too high.

LKelley67 · 02-10-2005, 12:00 PM

DE John Abraham
N.Y. Jets
Couldn\'t arrive at contract extension, tag coming.

RB Shaun Alexander
Seattle
TD leader would consider franchise tag a \"stab in the back.\"

CB Gary Baxter
Baltimore
Solid (and unheralded) member of Ravens defense might like moving to SF with Nolan.

LB Kendrell Bell
Pittsburgh
Stalwart playmaker on No. 1-ranked defense.

QB Drew Brees
San Diego
Chargers prepared to franchise him and keep Philip Rivers.

WR Plaxico Burress
Pittsburgh
Has played second fiddle to Hines Ward for 5 years.

QB Matt Hasselbeck
Seattle
Seahawks need 3 franchise tags.

RB Edgerrin James
Indianapolis
A priority re-signing, but Colts don\'t have much cap room.

T Jonas Jennings
Buffalo
Not among elite tackles, but a solid 2nd-tier guy.

RB Rudi Johnson
Cincinnati
No way Marvin Lewis lets this gem get away.

T Walter Jones
Seattle
Doubt Seahawks will franchise him for a 4th straight year.

CB Ty Law
New England
Has issues with Bill Belichick and due around $11 million.

WR Muhsin Muhammad
Carolina
No receiver was better in 2nd half of season.

T Orlando Pace
St. Louis
3-time franchise player has unreasonable Postons as agents, wants 10 million.

DT Corey Simon
Philadelphia
Eagles not going over the top to resign him

LB Julian Peterson
San Francisco
Represented by Postons and coming off severe knee injury.

WR Jerry Porter
Oakland
Already talk of reunion with Gruden, but Bucs have little room.

DB Dwight Smith
Tampa Bay
Can play any position in secondary but wants cornerback cash.

CB Fred Smoot
Washington
Reportedly seeking $14 million bonus.

RB Anthony Thomas
Chicago
Forgotten \"A-Train\" was top offensive rookie in \'01.

T Tra Thomas
Philadelphia
Eagles starting to ante up and will need to for this guy.

K Mike Vanderjagt
Indianapolis
He may be an \"idiot kicker,\" but he\'s a great kicker.

K Adam Vinatieri
New England
2-time Super Bowl hero likely will re-sign with Pats or possibly get tagged.

G Keydrick Vincent
Pittsburgh
Inside plow horse for powerful running game.

DT Pat Williams
Buffalo
Outstanding 320-pound run-stuffer.

LB Edgerton Hartwell
Baltimore
Ravens possible return to 4-3 makes him a star somewhere else out of the shadow of Ray Lewis

CB Charles Woodson
Oakland
Will Porter or malcontent Woodson get tagged?

LKelley67 · 02-11-2005, 09:16 AM

X dt corey simon, philly, off your lists, franchise tagged

LKelley67 · 02-11-2005, 09:51 AM

didn\'t seem like there was a dearth of cornerbacks the last few years? both veterans and draft classes not so deep. more this year in both than in several past years combined. look at this list-
charles woodson, oak, likely to not be tagged this year
ty law, ne, unless he takes a mega pay cut to stay
patrick surtain, mia, mia ready to trade
fred smoot, wash, wants mega signing bonus
gary baxter, balt, good but maybe better as safety
ken lucas, sea, solid starter
samarai rolle, ten, looking like a cap casulaty
andre dyson, ten, if not one then the other gone
anthony henry, clev, decent player overlooked on this team
allen rossum, atl, labeled cb but a premier kr

in the draft i have this list pegged at 1-2 rd quality-
antrel rolle, mia
pacman jones, wv
justin miller, clemson
carlos rogers, aub
marlin jackson, mich
brandon browner, ore st
corey webster, lsu

quite a list compared to past years. cb doesnt look like the must-need it has been like last spring. as inexperienced as fakhir is tho i wouldnt be disappointed if another top cover guy was added to the fold.

Danno · 02-11-2005, 09:53 AM

DT Pat Williams
Buffalo
Outstanding 320-pound run-stuffer.
I\'m in love! :heartpump:

02-05-2005, 03:46 PM	#11
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	free agent rumblings ...Saints are better off switching Donte to CB.... .. he can\'t catch them anyway... but he can get to the ball very quickly... Running backwards and reacting to other players cuts and streaks instead of knowing where he\'s going... I\'m sure his hamstring would love that.

02-05-2005, 07:02 PM	#12
kmoore1 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1	free agent rumblings The Saints should go after Patrick Surtain instead of Smoot. Miami gave him permission to seek a trade. Besides he is a Louisiana boy any way right?
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02-05-2005, 07:27 PM	#13
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	free agent rumblings I think both these guys are going to cost more than we can afford. Whether there\'s room or not, Benson isn\'t likely to use all of the cap room. If you\'ve been paying attention the last couple of years, you\'ll understand this. It\'s certainly something that can help the team, but I would be shocked for the org to make such a bold move. Time will tell but don\'t get your hopes up too high. It\'ll only lead to you expressing greater anxiety over this in the future when they both go elsewhere.

02-05-2005, 07:40 PM	#14
vulture Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 83	free agent rumblings I think the better move here is to resign McKenzie and pick up another CB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. Surtain, Smoot, and Rolle are just going to want too much money for a position that this staff has never being willing to pay. [Edited on 6/2/2005 by vulture]
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02-05-2005, 09:41 PM	#15
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	free agent rumblings forget smoot... he\'s all bark, no bite... he\'s not worth the asking price of 14 guaranteed million dollars... i say bring in anthony henry, ken lucas, or woodson from oakland... i doubt any of these three, which seem to be the best corners available in FA, will get any consideration from the saints, due to the fact that the car salesman would rather not spend money than put a good team on the field. another CB, rossum from atlanta, should be brought in as a KR/PR.

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02-09-2005, 09:29 AM	#16
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	free agent rumblings from washington post today- The Redskins have long been at an impasse with Smoot over the size of his signing bonus, and there is a sense among many at Redskins Park that he will depart as a free agent. Gibbs is also optimistic that wide receiver Rod Gardner will be dealt next month when the trading period begins. Gardner\'s agent, Joel Segal, was granted permission to seek deals and spoke with Redskins salary cap manager Eric Schaffer several times recently to report outside interest, Gibbs said. \"There seems to be some interest there, and there should be,\" Gibbs said. \"He\'s a good player.\" Tampa Bay is expected to make a push for Gardner, and Baltimore could as well, with the Redskins likely receiving a mid-round draft pick in return. ----mid round for gardner sounds like a deal. he is a big guy known for making catches in traffic (a nice contrast to current n.o. group). he has only missed 3 games going into his fifth season. at 28 he could be ready for bigtime after being stuck in the woeful skins offense. good replacement for pathon or (gulp) horn if his demands are too high.

02-10-2005, 12:00 PM	#17
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	free agent rumblings DE John Abraham N.Y. Jets Couldn\'t arrive at contract extension, tag coming. RB Shaun Alexander Seattle TD leader would consider franchise tag a \"stab in the back.\" CB Gary Baxter Baltimore Solid (and unheralded) member of Ravens defense might like moving to SF with Nolan. LB Kendrell Bell Pittsburgh Stalwart playmaker on No. 1-ranked defense. QB Drew Brees San Diego Chargers prepared to franchise him and keep Philip Rivers. WR Plaxico Burress Pittsburgh Has played second fiddle to Hines Ward for 5 years. QB Matt Hasselbeck Seattle Seahawks need 3 franchise tags. RB Edgerrin James Indianapolis A priority re-signing, but Colts don\'t have much cap room. T Jonas Jennings Buffalo Not among elite tackles, but a solid 2nd-tier guy. RB Rudi Johnson Cincinnati No way Marvin Lewis lets this gem get away. T Walter Jones Seattle Doubt Seahawks will franchise him for a 4th straight year. CB Ty Law New England Has issues with Bill Belichick and due around $11 million. WR Muhsin Muhammad Carolina No receiver was better in 2nd half of season. T Orlando Pace St. Louis 3-time franchise player has unreasonable Postons as agents, wants 10 million. DT Corey Simon Philadelphia Eagles not going over the top to resign him LB Julian Peterson San Francisco Represented by Postons and coming off severe knee injury. WR Jerry Porter Oakland Already talk of reunion with Gruden, but Bucs have little room. DB Dwight Smith Tampa Bay Can play any position in secondary but wants cornerback cash. CB Fred Smoot Washington Reportedly seeking $14 million bonus. RB Anthony Thomas Chicago Forgotten \"A-Train\" was top offensive rookie in \'01. T Tra Thomas Philadelphia Eagles starting to ante up and will need to for this guy. K Mike Vanderjagt Indianapolis He may be an \"idiot kicker,\" but he\'s a great kicker. K Adam Vinatieri New England 2-time Super Bowl hero likely will re-sign with Pats or possibly get tagged. G Keydrick Vincent Pittsburgh Inside plow horse for powerful running game. DT Pat Williams Buffalo Outstanding 320-pound run-stuffer. LB Edgerton Hartwell Baltimore Ravens possible return to 4-3 makes him a star somewhere else out of the shadow of Ray Lewis CB Charles Woodson Oakland Will Porter or malcontent Woodson get tagged?

02-11-2005, 09:16 AM	#18
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	free agent rumblings X dt corey simon, philly, off your lists, franchise tagged

02-11-2005, 09:51 AM	#19
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	free agent rumblings didn\'t seem like there was a dearth of cornerbacks the last few years? both veterans and draft classes not so deep. more this year in both than in several past years combined. look at this list- charles woodson, oak, likely to not be tagged this year ty law, ne, unless he takes a mega pay cut to stay patrick surtain, mia, mia ready to trade fred smoot, wash, wants mega signing bonus gary baxter, balt, good but maybe better as safety ken lucas, sea, solid starter samarai rolle, ten, looking like a cap casulaty andre dyson, ten, if not one then the other gone anthony henry, clev, decent player overlooked on this team allen rossum, atl, labeled cb but a premier kr in the draft i have this list pegged at 1-2 rd quality- antrel rolle, mia pacman jones, wv justin miller, clemson carlos rogers, aub marlin jackson, mich brandon browner, ore st corey webster, lsu quite a list compared to past years. cb doesnt look like the must-need it has been like last spring. as inexperienced as fakhir is tho i wouldnt be disappointed if another top cover guy was added to the fold.

02-11-2005, 09:53 AM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	free agent rumblings DT Pat Williams Buffalo Outstanding 320-pound run-stuffer. I\'m in love! :heartpump: