4th and 20 D was Sean's call

burningmetal · 08-14-2015, 08:30 AM

I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless.

I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing.

NonieT · 08-14-2015, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless.

I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing.

Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out.

Danno · 08-14-2015, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out.

Agreed. There was plenty of bad to complain about, but there was a lot of good as well.

Overall I was slightly disappointed in the 1st quarter (but we didn't have Brees), and the last 2 minutes (with numerous guys who won't even be on the team in 3 weeks).

Everything else was a typical pre-season performance.

I give us a C-minus. I'm not gonna panic yet.

halloween 65 · 08-14-2015, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out.

Last season in pre-season was why I drank the kool-aid. Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder.

K Major · 08-14-2015, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder.

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite

.

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

blackangold · 08-14-2015, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite .

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home.

My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s.

MarchingOn · 08-14-2015, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home.

My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s.

I'd have supported a trade up in the 1st (for once) for NT Shelton just to finally change all this. Rumors are the Saints brain trust finally decided to fix our soft underbelly but Cleaveland beat us to the pick.

Missing out on that big man, really wanted Xavier Williams (DT, N. Iowa) or SOMEONE BIG in the 7th. In 2014, we take SJB (58th) over NT Dix (83rd)? In 2013, NT Kwame Geathers who went UDFA was there in the 7th and made a team. What? Didn't like the name Geathers this decade? Why don't we take a flier on some big ones late?

Well, recently we picked up veteran DT K. Williams, at least. Pray we're not yet done.

halloween 65 · 08-14-2015, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite .

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

xan · 08-14-2015, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless.

I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing.

I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best.

That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

08-14-2015, 08:30 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless. I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing. xan, frydaddy and NonieT like this.
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08-14-2015, 08:46 AM	#2
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by burningmetal I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless. I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing. Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out. Danno likes this.
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08-14-2015, 08:52 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by NonieT Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out. Agreed. There was plenty of bad to complain about, but there was a lot of good as well. Overall I was slightly disappointed in the 1st quarter (but we didn't have Brees), and the last 2 minutes (with numerous guys who won't even be on the team in 3 weeks). Everything else was a typical pre-season performance. I give us a C-minus. I'm not gonna panic yet. SmashMouth, Beastmode and WhoDat!656 like this.

08-14-2015, 08:53 AM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by NonieT Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out. Last season in pre-season was why I drank the kool-aid. Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder. jnormand and dizzle88 like this.

08-14-2015, 12:03 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by halloween 65 Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder. Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. jeanpierre and halloween 65 like this.

08-14-2015, 12:51 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by K Major Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home. My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s. hagan714 and K Major like this.

08-14-2015, 06:45 PM	#7
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by blackangold We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home. My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s. I'd have supported a trade up in the 1st (for once) for NT Shelton just to finally change all this. Rumors are the Saints brain trust finally decided to fix our soft underbelly but Cleaveland beat us to the pick. Missing out on that big man, really wanted Xavier Williams (DT, N. Iowa) or SOMEONE BIG in the 7th. In 2014, we take SJB (58th) over NT Dix (83rd)? In 2013, NT Kwame Geathers who went UDFA was there in the 7th and made a team. What? Didn't like the name Geathers this decade? Why don't we take a flier on some big ones late? Well, recently we picked up veteran DT K. Williams, at least. Pray we're not yet done. hagan714 likes this.

08-14-2015, 02:02 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by K Major Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

08-14-2015, 11:39 AM	#9
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by burningmetal I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless. I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing. I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best. That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

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