GumboBC

saintwhodi --

I\'ve been as guitly as you in the past.

But, here\'s the deal....

We\'ve debated Brooks 1,000,000,000 times. Enough of the tired old Brooks\' debate.

We\'ve heard you blame Brooks for screen passes, dropped passes, bad defense, etc, ect...

But we don\'t need to hear it in every thread.

And I don\'t need to defend Brooks in every thread.

People are tired of this. Hell, I\'m tired of it.

Start a thread about Brooks and get it out of your system.

What have you NOT said about Brooks that you would like us to hear?

I\'ll stop defending Brooks if you\'ll stop bringing Brooks in every thread?

saintswhodi

Number one, I didn\'t blame Brooks for screen passes, I agreed with those who did. If you assumed by me saying \"I wonder why we haven\'t been able to run one in 4 years\" I meant all cause of AB, you were mistaken. When I blame Brooks, I do it right out. Straight up. But when someone else did, I agreed with their assessment. I was blaming McCarthy and Haz also.

Number two, I don\'t blame Brooks for drops, I agree with those who say he doesn\'t know what touch is or drops are not as big a problem as bad passes are.

Number 3, I don\'t blame Brooks for a bad D, but I will point out when a QB takes almost a half to get going, more than likely the D will suffer.

The problem is, when ANYONE tries to give Brooks even a little blame for other parts of the team, it turns into a war when it doesn\'t have to be. Noone ever said the line is good, the defense is good, balls are not dropped, but to think AB has NO PART in effecting these other parts of the team is preposterous. He is not 100% responsible for these other parts, but if he plays bad, then the wheels are definitely coming off everything else. So if the notion that Brooks is blamed for everything was erased, we wouldn\'t have these long discussions cause NOONE SAYS THAT. What is said is that if there are probelms in certain areas, it is foolish to ignore Brooks as A PART of these problems. Huge difference in my mind. But whatever. Do whatever you guys like. Discuss AB or don\'t discuss. It means jack come opening day and we are here again with the same arguments.

baronm

i totally agree whodi

JKool

WTF?

For a bunch of guys who are sick of discussing this, you sure don\'t act like it.

This thread bogged down into an AB thread. The two guys carring on the discussion called it a stale-mate. THEN a bunch of other people show up to criticize the already done thread for carrying on?!

Please. I get just as tired of having the same discussions over and over again. It is just my opinion, but there have been some interesting things said in these thread (usually not, but occasionally). I understand not wanting to read them, or even finding them inane, but criticizing people for something they didn\'t do... wtf?

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

saintswhodi

Like I said, Kool, I love you man. :heartpump:

GumboBC

They\'re are some interesting Brooks\' debates. I like debating Brooks with saintwhodi, WhoDat, JKook, etc., etc.,...

But there\'s a time and place for it, IMO. Like in a thread that\'s talking about Aaron Brooks.

Sure, Brooks affects all aspects of the offense. And all aspects of the offense affects Brooks.

All I\'m say is wouldn\'t it be better to not bring Brooks into every thread. At least by the same folks.

I can point to myself and admit that I defend Brooks way too much and don\'t talk about his negatives enough.

The Brooks debate is at a stand-still and no progress is going to be made. At least not by introducing Brooks in every thread.

Now, we\'ve made some head-way on the Brooks debate but it takes numerous posts about Brooks and I really don\'t think most members of B&G want to hear us debate Brooks in threads that aren\'t intended to be about Brooks.

When I start a thread about a 3-point stand, it isn\'t meant to be about Brooks.

When I start a thread about the defense, it isn\'t meant to be about Brooks.

Folks start a lot of threads that aren\'t intended to talk about Brooks but it always turns into a Brooks debate.

And I can tell you that the mods of this board don\'t want that. Now, I\'m not speaking for any mod for this board. I\'m just going on what I\'ve been told.

This board could be much better..

[Edited on 8/2/2005 by GumboBC]

JKool

Billy,

I\'m on board.

I just thought it was strange that this came up here, where Whodi and I had already signed off on the dispute. It was dead.

My general view, and I could be wrong, is that Brooks stuff should not get to hi-jack a thread. Here is my suggestion for what it worth. By the third Brooks post in a thread, it should be suggested that that part of the discussion be bracketed and moved to a new thread. This way the discussion that is not about Brooks involvement can continue un-incumbered AND anyone who believes that the Brooks element is critical (which I never do) can discuss it in the NEW thread.

What do you think about that?

It seems to me that the Brooks point is overly polarizing. I don\'t understand why yet, but I agree that it is.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

GumboBC

I LOVE the idea. Folks come here to talk football. Not debate Aaron Brooks in every thread. I like the idea of moving the posts that are hi-jacking all these threads.

I think I\'ll make a request.

JKool

Sounds good to me... if I get a vote on such matters.

PS - Apologies for being part of the machinery that has been ticking people off. I never intended to frustrate anyone.

GumboBC

JKool --

There is no apology need. I\'m not upset with anyone in particular. Heck, I\'m as guilty as anyone for carring on the Brooks\' debate.

I\'d just like to see some of this stuff cleaned up a little bit...