Audiotom

Even Robert Craft couldn't buy his way out of this farce

Of course that's like you and I having to pick up a three drink beer tab


I feel sorry for the hated Patriots this time
This is a pure witch hunt nothing else

Were they not supposed to bulldoze the Colts?

Not spygate where a lot more evidence was buried

Boutte

I don't know why we don't hear about this more:

The week after the SB the Pats said they inflated the balls to minimum pressure. They claimed that the cold caused the balls to become under inflated.

Some group decided to do the same thing and found that at about the same temperature the balls lost "about" 2 psi.

Sorry no link. Heard it on ESPN.

pherein

Funny Im sure they thought the same about us, until they spent time researching and what happend to us. They didnt have to do that. I know we are still mad at every fan of the NFL for how they never listened, and we got berated every day for something that was a completely lie. I get it.
So, are we going to be those fans now ? and not look at the facts ?

Rugby Saint II

We don't cheat. We massage the rules a little. The Patriots make a living off of cheating.

pherein

No offence Rugby but youd make a crappy Archeologist.

burningmetal

We're not being "those" fans, my friend. I know what you're trying to say, and you're right that people shouldn't just take things at face value. But I don't think that's what's happening here.

I personally (as I pointed out earlier in this thread) think this is overblown, and I do believe that the NFL is making up "evidence". I do not, however, believe that the Patriots or Tom Brady are innocent. In looking at the facts, I see that Brady has refused to cooperate in any way. I see a guy bringing a rack of footballs into a bathroom (who does that?) and multiple teams reported under inflated footballs from the Patriots.

Do I think it REALLY matters, as far as determining games? Not really. It's obviously a comfort thing, otherwise there's no reason to do it, but I don't think it's a huge deal. But instead of coming clean, they've been pitiful liars and Goodell hates teams that he perceives to be showing him up... We all know that. So now we have all this rhetoric flying around from the NFL, as they will do anything to make this bigger than it is and try to stick it to 'em. Both sides look really pathetic, in my opinion.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

hagan714

Pats know all to well what a crap whole the comish is long before this.

jlouhill

pherein, I posted a thread during the bounty mess about this very thing. How everyone outside of the B&G Nation was all over us about this when they should have been shaking in their collective skins about the power that Goodell was showing and don't thing for a minute that he won't come after your team I don't care who you are. Here's the quote:

"I know a lot of people are sick and tired of all the bounty talk and the bounty posts on here and the media talking about the bounty thing, and so on and so forth. The only thing i'm tired of is reading the same stuff over and over but i'm not going to do like some have suggested, forget about it and move on. The reason for this post is not to beat a dead horse. What i'm sick and tired of is the posts by opposing fans. Now I don't give a rip what opposing fans say because that's just smack talking sports fans and it's to be expected. But the "you guys got caught, take your medicine and move on" or "stop your whining you got caught" or "you got what you deserved because you were warned," etc. is really getting to me because I think opposing fans are missing something very important here. We got caught doing what every other team in the league has been doing for years. We didn't invent the pay for performance in 2009. If we're guilty of anything it's for lying, keeping such diligent records, and not stopping when we were told. So you opposing fans keep hurling your juvenile insults at us but here's what you are not taking into account. Goodel has unprecedented power now. He can pretty much do what he wants without recourse. If I were a Steelers fan or a Lions fan or maybe even a Ravens fan I would be very worried. You think $75000 fines for big hits or 2 game suspensions for stomping on an opponent are excessive. What do you think he's going to do now since he's shown he isn't afraid of suspending coaches and players for a full season with what so far is circumstantial, questionable evidence when he has full video shots of these big hits that we can ALL see unlike this so-called "overwhelming" evidence we have yet to see. Hmmm...Year long suspensions for unseen overwhelming evidence, who knows what for indisputable video evidence. Think about it."

What goes around comes around!

QBREES9

I think everyone cheats. The bad cheaters get caught.

Beastmode

For as long as the NFL has been around you would think they would have a real playbook for penalties and infractions that was concrete. They don't. Every time someone breaks rules or is suspected of wrongdoing there is the big fiasco or, maybe not...there is not much reasoning behind any of it. It almost feels like RG is pacing back and forth, what to do what to do....maybe I should do this or no, maybe that. It's a completely unprofessional and unorganized process. No other sport has a process like it.