Could it be

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-06-2015, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Agreed.

And though we took a hit at tight end, we directly improved two (2) priority positions because of that move - center, with All-Pro Max Unger and middle linebacker with Stephone Anthony...

And you can argue that the entire offense will benefit from Drew Brees not getting tunnel-vision by forcing passed to Jimmy Graham any longer...

This team is now in growth mode again...

We've got four, right now five, rookie defensive linemen that just won roster spots...

We've got a kick returner who's actually better than Jalen Saunders who seemed to be the only guy with success in Payton's tenure with that role...

We now have a surging 6' 6" former UDFA receiver with an amazing catch radius who's just now getting the coaching he needs to learn the game...

We've got three projected starting defensive backs and we're not as worried because we have depth at that position for the first time in team history...

We've got a rookie pass rusher that is just going to eat that @$$ on enemy passers with the motor Hau'oli Kihaha (respect the man and his name Saints fans)...

Young, yes, inexperienced, yes; but this team is going to surprise alot of talking-head, group-think network automatons this season...

I'm drinking the Kool-Aid!

SFIAH

RailBoss · 09-07-2015, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Agreed.

And though we took a hit at tight end, we directly improved two (2) priority positions because of that move - center, with All-Pro Max Unger and middle linebacker with Stephone Anthony...

And you can argue that the entire offense will benefit from Drew Brees not getting away from his tunnel-vision of forcing passes to Jimmy Graham any longer...

This team is now in growth mode again...

We've got four, right now five, rookie defensive linemen that just won roster spots...

We've got a kick returner who's actually better than Jalen Saunders who seemed to be the only guy with success in Payton's tenure with that role...

We now have a surging 6' 6" former UDFA receiver, Brandon Coleman, with an amazing catch radius who's just now getting the coaching he needs to learn the game...

We've got three projected starting defensive backs out with injury and we're not as worried because we have depth at that position for the first time in team history...

We've got a rookie pass rusher that is just going to eat that @$$ of enemy passers with an amazoing motor in Hau'oli Kihaha (respect the man, and his name, Saints fans)...

Young, yes, inexperienced, yes; but this team is going to surprise alot of talking-head, group-think network automatons this season...

See right here in this thread is the total optimism I love to see going into the season. There is no other way to think on it in my book. Yeah it may be drinking the Kool-Aid but I would rather drink ours than the junk they
serve in Atlanta. In fact in honor of Hau'oli Kihaha I'll even drink the Hawaiin Punch!

vpheughan · 09-06-2015, 08:44 AM

So, it appears the "Front Office No Plan" plan may have accidentally created something positive? Heads will roll for that!!(I know a guy who knows a guy who knows two guys in the "Front Office!" ) LOL

foreverfan · 09-07-2015, 12:13 PM

We upgraded every position but TE?
How about we changed every position except TE and QB.

Upgrade class begins on Sunday in Arizona.

The Dude · 09-07-2015, 12:41 PM

Screw it. It is the NFL and this is why you have to play the game. Anything can happen and surprises happen every year. Preseason hype good or bad usually doesn't mean a thing. Remember the Eagles dream team with TO and all? We could very well step on the field and blow people away. In the grand scheme of things we have not seen anything yet. Who Dat!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-04-2015, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

Preseason is now over and all I have to say is I don't want to see fast starts and slow finishes as I did during the preseason. We have a very very tough game next week in Arizona. Although you don't want to predict your season by one game I do however, feels that the turnout of this game will give us a glimpse of what the season will be like. jmo.

Fast starts: First string players that will be playing 60 minute games starting next weekend.

Slow finishes: 3rd and 4th string players many of whom will be sitting in the stands watching the games just as we will be come next week.

I agree that Arizona is going to be tough. For the defense the stats I plan to examine closely are 3rd down stop percentage (31st in the league last year at an abysmal 46%), turnovers, sacks/pressures, 20+ yard plays, run YPC, and of course points. Reasonable numbers in these categories (35%,1+,3+,<2,<4.0,20 or less) is going to be the true measure of our season. If the defense can get in line with those numbers, we'll be fine. If not, it's going to be a long tough season.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-07-2015, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

That defensive stat is definitely something to look out for but we also needs to look at our turnover ratio and our 1st down numbers on offense as well. You cant keep going 3 and out and expect the defense to continue to hold up. That's not going to work. Our offense has to create drives, eat up clock and score. I feel if we do that then our defense will play better because that puts teams offense in predictable situations.

No disagreement with this. I'm operating on the presumption that all these stats will be better simply because each and every one of them are based on an improved offensive line. And if the Saints have done nothing else from a personnel standpoint this offseason, it's improve the offensive line. Unger is an All-Pro caliber center when healthy. Lelito, Unger, and Evans should shore up the interior pocket for Brees. I hope that Armstrong, Lelito, and Unger will bebome the mauler left side of the line that Ingram, Robinson, Spiller, and Murphy will be able to exploit. And most importantly, Bryce Harris, who seemed on a mission to get Brees killed, can not do that job for Matt Ryan.

But it's the usual. If you have a top 5 or top 10 offense in most categories and a bottom 5 defense in most categories, then the focus has to be on the struggling unit.

My analysis is that the offense is complementary to the defense when the team is leading, but not before. According to New Orleans Saints Fact of the Day: July 24, 2014 even with the collapses last season, that Sean Payton led Saints teams win well over 80% of their games when leading at halftime.

So in short, the offense tends to throw early in games to get the lead, then play ball control later on to keep it.

The defense's job needs to be to hold out long enough for that lead to develop. See the first half of the Patriots preseason game to see a nearly perfectly architected first half. Fast starts like that with 2-3 three and outs by the defense coupled with scoring drives by the offense will go a long way towards a successful season.

SFIAH

09-06-2015, 09:59 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,788	Re: Could it be Originally Posted by jeanpierre Agreed. And though we took a hit at tight end, we directly improved two (2) priority positions because of that move - center, with All-Pro Max Unger and middle linebacker with Stephone Anthony... And you can argue that the entire offense will benefit from Drew Brees not getting tunnel-vision by forcing passed to Jimmy Graham any longer... This team is now in growth mode again... We've got four, right now five, rookie defensive linemen that just won roster spots... We've got a kick returner who's actually better than Jalen Saunders who seemed to be the only guy with success in Payton's tenure with that role... We now have a surging 6' 6" former UDFA receiver with an amazing catch radius who's just now getting the coaching he needs to learn the game... We've got three projected starting defensive backs and we're not as worried because we have depth at that position for the first time in team history... We've got a rookie pass rusher that is just going to eat that @$$ on enemy passers with the motor Hau'oli Kihaha (respect the man and his name Saints fans)... Young, yes, inexperienced, yes; but this team is going to surprise alot of talking-head, group-think network automatons this season... I'm drinking the Kool-Aid! SFIAH saintfan, RailBoss and foreverfan like this.

09-07-2015, 10:37 AM	#2
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Could it be Originally Posted by jeanpierre Agreed. And though we took a hit at tight end, we directly improved two (2) priority positions because of that move - center, with All-Pro Max Unger and middle linebacker with Stephone Anthony... And you can argue that the entire offense will benefit from Drew Brees not getting away from his tunnel-vision of forcing passes to Jimmy Graham any longer... This team is now in growth mode again... We've got four, right now five, rookie defensive linemen that just won roster spots... We've got a kick returner who's actually better than Jalen Saunders who seemed to be the only guy with success in Payton's tenure with that role... We now have a surging 6' 6" former UDFA receiver, Brandon Coleman, with an amazing catch radius who's just now getting the coaching he needs to learn the game... We've got three projected starting defensive backs out with injury and we're not as worried because we have depth at that position for the first time in team history... We've got a rookie pass rusher that is just going to eat that @$$ of enemy passers with an amazoing motor in Hau'oli Kihaha (respect the man, and his name, Saints fans)... Young, yes, inexperienced, yes; but this team is going to surprise alot of talking-head, group-think network automatons this season... See right here in this thread is the total optimism I love to see going into the season. There is no other way to think on it in my book. Yeah it may be drinking the Kool-Aid but I would rather drink ours than the junk they serve in Atlanta. In fact in honor of Hau'oli Kihaha I'll even drink the Hawaiin Punch!

09-06-2015, 08:44 AM	#3
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,563	Re: Could it be So, it appears the "Front Office No Plan" plan may have accidentally created something positive? Heads will roll for that!!(I know a guy who knows a guy who knows two guys in the "Front Office!" ) LOL
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09-07-2015, 12:13 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Could it be We upgraded every position but TE? How about we changed every position except TE and QB. Upgrade class begins on Sunday in Arizona.

09-07-2015, 12:41 PM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Could it be Screw it. It is the NFL and this is why you have to play the game. Anything can happen and surprises happen every year. Preseason hype good or bad usually doesn't mean a thing. Remember the Eagles dream team with TO and all? We could very well step on the field and blow people away. In the grand scheme of things we have not seen anything yet. Who Dat!
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09-04-2015, 09:42 AM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,788	Re: Could it be Originally Posted by teddybarexxx Preseason is now over and all I have to say is I don't want to see fast starts and slow finishes as I did during the preseason. We have a very very tough game next week in Arizona. Although you don't want to predict your season by one game I do however, feels that the turnout of this game will give us a glimpse of what the season will be like. jmo. Fast starts: First string players that will be playing 60 minute games starting next weekend. Slow finishes: 3rd and 4th string players many of whom will be sitting in the stands watching the games just as we will be come next week. I agree that Arizona is going to be tough. For the defense the stats I plan to examine closely are 3rd down stop percentage (31st in the league last year at an abysmal 46%), turnovers, sacks/pressures, 20+ yard plays, run YPC, and of course points. Reasonable numbers in these categories (35%,1+,3+,<2,<4.0,20 or less) is going to be the true measure of our season. If the defense can get in line with those numbers, we'll be fine. If not, it's going to be a long tough season. SFIAH Danno, spkb25, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.
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09-07-2015, 10:16 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,788	Re: Could it be Originally Posted by teddybarexxx That defensive stat is definitely something to look out for but we also needs to look at our turnover ratio and our 1st down numbers on offense as well. You cant keep going 3 and out and expect the defense to continue to hold up. That's not going to work. Our offense has to create drives, eat up clock and score. I feel if we do that then our defense will play better because that puts teams offense in predictable situations. No disagreement with this. I'm operating on the presumption that all these stats will be better simply because each and every one of them are based on an improved offensive line. And if the Saints have done nothing else from a personnel standpoint this offseason, it's improve the offensive line. Unger is an All-Pro caliber center when healthy. Lelito, Unger, and Evans should shore up the interior pocket for Brees. I hope that Armstrong, Lelito, and Unger will bebome the mauler left side of the line that Ingram, Robinson, Spiller, and Murphy will be able to exploit. And most importantly, Bryce Harris, who seemed on a mission to get Brees killed, can not do that job for Matt Ryan. But it's the usual. If you have a top 5 or top 10 offense in most categories and a bottom 5 defense in most categories, then the focus has to be on the struggling unit. My analysis is that the offense is complementary to the defense when the team is leading, but not before. According to New Orleans Saints Fact of the Day: July 24, 2014 even with the collapses last season, that Sean Payton led Saints teams win well over 80% of their games when leading at halftime. So in short, the offense tends to throw early in games to get the lead, then play ball control later on to keep it. The defense's job needs to be to hold out long enough for that lead to develop. See the first half of the Patriots preseason game to see a nearly perfectly architected first half. Fast starts like that with 2-3 three and outs by the defense coupled with scoring drives by the offense will go a long way towards a successful season. SFIAH Danno likes this.
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