Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips

homerj07 · 09-06-2015, 10:29 PM

Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.

burningmetal · 09-06-2015, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.

I blame Both Loomis and Payton. I don't think anyone is brought in or let go without input from Sean. But Loomis is responsible for making sure things make financial sense. He's been really up and down with that for his entire tenure with us.

People forget the pre-Payton/Brees years with Loomis. I frankly couldn't stand him then, and thought he was horrible. Then Payton and Brees get here and suddenly things were looking up. He did make some nice moves during that period, but I don't think we would have gotten Brees if it weren't for his injury. We were very fortunate.

Payton is a good coach. I'm not looking for him to be fired. I just think between he and Loomis, they have gotten sloppy with personnel decisions. Loomis has always been a bit overrated. Having an elite QB makes a lot of people look smart.

jeanpierre · 09-07-2015, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.

Homer, he's the GM and the end of the day, the buck stops with him....

It's about leadership, and if he's rubberstamping all these moves then he's useless all the same...

nola_swammi · 09-07-2015, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.

It's the general manager job to have scouts in place to make those decisions and 2014 was a bad draft that plenty of fans seen. My biggest complaint about those picks were that a lot of them were injured and SJB was a project with 2nd rd pick, even Seattle didn't take such a gamble on Richard Sherman with a 2nd rd pick, Loomis need to stick what he is best at and that's being a bean counter. He said last year he make those pick and sometimes him and Payton get in heated debated on picks but he have the final say. The guy is smart, knowing his talent of making picks are so weak that he tried to intertwine his contract with Payton but the league refused the contract which had us all sweating that the Cowboys were going to swoop up and sign Payton away

Cruize · 09-07-2015, 06:37 AM

QB - Great. If Brees goes down, just like any other franchise QB, it's not good.
RB - Stacked. Ingram and Robinson are ready. Murphy is a legit returner.
FB - Does it matter? As good as any for a little used NFL position.
WR - Good with potential. Cooks could be all-pro. Snead will make plays and move the chains. Coleman is a wildcard that I think will shine.
TE - Sneaky productive. Neither will be flashy but will get some first down and contribute in the run game. No dunks but this ain't hoops.
OL - Solid. Quality backups in Peat and Kelemete.

DL - Underachieving. Talent is there. Production hasn't been so far. Williams will be solid on the field and a leader overall. I expect improvement.
LB - Promising. Anthony has the skills. Kikaha has a big motor. They will make plays.
CB - New. The word is out on being improved. Browner is solid. Breaux looks the part. Swann has potential. Lewis needs to get well. Just like every other teams 4th and 5th CB's, Dixon and Wilson will hopefully make a special teams play or two and not get toasted.
S - SSDD. Not impressed. The running joke on the message boards continues.
P - All-Pro.
K - Believe. I think the Saints have found their guy.

Coaching - I thought Payton lost the team last year. Having my doubts if he can regain it. Would Ryan be in the NFL if his name wasn't Ryan?
Front office - They have whiffed on some drafts and have given out some bad contracts. Both are an inexact science. But, their grade is low.

A win in Arizona is big. And very doable.

halloween 65 · 09-07-2015, 08:35 AM

This suprizes me also. I'm pi$$ed over Bush kept being over Warren the most, why? Bush besides an ocassional cheap shot on a WR. has done absolutely nothing. And now Phillips. Our D want get fixed with management and coaches making stupid moves like this, or drafting the way they do. We will always underachieve this way. A good D to go along with the last 6 seasons of a Brees led O and we would have raised more than 1 Superbowl trophy, good possibility at least 3 more.

Danno · 09-07-2015, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

This suprizes me also. I'm pi$$ed over Bush kept being over Warren the most, why? Bush besides an ocassional cheap shot on a WR. has done absolutely nothing. And now Phillips. Our D want get fixed with management and coaches making stupid moves like this, or drafting the way they do. We will always underachieve this way. A good D to go along with the last 6 seasons of a Brees led O and we would have raised more than 1 Superbowl trophy, good possibility at least 3 more.

It should be noted that Warren was our first cut, and not only did 31 teams pass on claiming him at NFL minimum, but not one team has signed him to their practice squad, yet.

Maybe he just isn't as good as we think.

halloween 65 · 09-07-2015, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

It should be noted that Warren was our first cut, and not only did 31 teams pass on claiming him at NFL minimum, but not one team has signed him to their practice squad, yet.

Maybe he just isn't as good as we think.

Looks to be better than Bush. In his very limited time on the field vs. Bush time on the field, he has out performed Bush at FS. No one can say Bush hasn't had his chances to try to secure the FS posision at one point in time but I also feel if Warren had a honest opportunity as Bush has had he could have secured the FS position. I will give it to Bush on ST, he isn't to bad but he's not a real FS wheather they have him listed as one or not. I would like Payton to really tell the truth on why he was let go.

ChrisXVI · 09-07-2015, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Looks to be better than Bush. In his very limited time on the field vs. Bush time on the field, he has out performed Bush at FS. No one can say Bush hasn't had his chances to try to secure the FS posision at one point in time but I also feel if Warren had a honest opportunity as Bush has had he could have secured the FS position. I will give it to Bush on ST, he isn't to bad but he's not a real FS wheather they have him listed as one or not. I would like Payton to really tell the truth on why he was let go.

The only reason Rafael Bush gets any run is because of one big hit in a game against the Seahawks a couple years ago. He's literally done nothing else noteworthy in his time with the team.

I wish we had let Atlanta sign him last year when they were interested.

Danno · 09-07-2015, 10:41 AM

So far so good, no one has claimed Mabry or Warren yet. Fingers crossed

09-06-2015, 10:29 PM	#1
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.

09-06-2015, 10:45 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Originally Posted by homerj07 Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair. I blame Both Loomis and Payton. I don't think anyone is brought in or let go without input from Sean. But Loomis is responsible for making sure things make financial sense. He's been really up and down with that for his entire tenure with us. People forget the pre-Payton/Brees years with Loomis. I frankly couldn't stand him then, and thought he was horrible. Then Payton and Brees get here and suddenly things were looking up. He did make some nice moves during that period, but I don't think we would have gotten Brees if it weren't for his injury. We were very fortunate. Payton is a good coach. I'm not looking for him to be fired. I just think between he and Loomis, they have gotten sloppy with personnel decisions. Loomis has always been a bit overrated. Having an elite QB makes a lot of people look smart.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-07-2015, 03:52 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Originally Posted by homerj07 Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair. Homer, he's the GM and the end of the day, the buck stops with him.... It's about leadership, and if he's rubberstamping all these moves then he's useless all the same...

09-07-2015, 10:09 AM	#4
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Originally Posted by homerj07 Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair. It's the general manager job to have scouts in place to make those decisions and 2014 was a bad draft that plenty of fans seen. My biggest complaint about those picks were that a lot of them were injured and SJB was a project with 2nd rd pick, even Seattle didn't take such a gamble on Richard Sherman with a 2nd rd pick, Loomis need to stick what he is best at and that's being a bean counter. He said last year he make those pick and sometimes him and Payton get in heated debated on picks but he have the final say. The guy is smart, knowing his talent of making picks are so weak that he tried to intertwine his contract with Payton but the league refused the contract which had us all sweating that the Cowboys were going to swoop up and sign Payton away

09-07-2015, 06:37 AM	#5
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips QB - Great. If Brees goes down, just like any other franchise QB, it's not good. RB - Stacked. Ingram and Robinson are ready. Murphy is a legit returner. FB - Does it matter? As good as any for a little used NFL position. WR - Good with potential. Cooks could be all-pro. Snead will make plays and move the chains. Coleman is a wildcard that I think will shine. TE - Sneaky productive. Neither will be flashy but will get some first down and contribute in the run game. No dunks but this ain't hoops. OL - Solid. Quality backups in Peat and Kelemete. DL - Underachieving. Talent is there. Production hasn't been so far. Williams will be solid on the field and a leader overall. I expect improvement. LB - Promising. Anthony has the skills. Kikaha has a big motor. They will make plays. CB - New. The word is out on being improved. Browner is solid. Breaux looks the part. Swann has potential. Lewis needs to get well. Just like every other teams 4th and 5th CB's, Dixon and Wilson will hopefully make a special teams play or two and not get toasted. S - SSDD. Not impressed. The running joke on the message boards continues. P - All-Pro. K - Believe. I think the Saints have found their guy. Coaching - I thought Payton lost the team last year. Having my doubts if he can regain it. Would Ryan be in the NFL if his name wasn't Ryan? Front office - They have whiffed on some drafts and have given out some bad contracts. Both are an inexact science. But, their grade is low. A win in Arizona is big. And very doable. jnormand, Danno and Crusader like this.
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09-07-2015, 08:35 AM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips This suprizes me also. I'm pi$$ed over Bush kept being over Warren the most, why? Bush besides an ocassional cheap shot on a WR. has done absolutely nothing. And now Phillips. Our D want get fixed with management and coaches making stupid moves like this, or drafting the way they do. We will always underachieve this way. A good D to go along with the last 6 seasons of a Brees led O and we would have raised more than 1 Superbowl trophy, good possibility at least 3 more.

09-07-2015, 11:47 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Originally Posted by halloween 65 This suprizes me also. I'm pi$$ed over Bush kept being over Warren the most, why? Bush besides an ocassional cheap shot on a WR. has done absolutely nothing. And now Phillips. Our D want get fixed with management and coaches making stupid moves like this, or drafting the way they do. We will always underachieve this way. A good D to go along with the last 6 seasons of a Brees led O and we would have raised more than 1 Superbowl trophy, good possibility at least 3 more. It should be noted that Warren was our first cut, and not only did 31 teams pass on claiming him at NFL minimum, but not one team has signed him to their practice squad, yet. Maybe he just isn't as good as we think.

09-07-2015, 05:43 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Originally Posted by Danno It should be noted that Warren was our first cut, and not only did 31 teams pass on claiming him at NFL minimum, but not one team has signed him to their practice squad, yet. Maybe he just isn't as good as we think. Looks to be better than Bush. In his very limited time on the field vs. Bush time on the field, he has out performed Bush at FS. No one can say Bush hasn't had his chances to try to secure the FS posision at one point in time but I also feel if Warren had a honest opportunity as Bush has had he could have secured the FS position. I will give it to Bush on ST, he isn't to bad but he's not a real FS wheather they have him listed as one or not. I would like Payton to really tell the truth on why he was let go. ChrisXVI likes this.

09-07-2015, 08:36 PM	#9
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips Originally Posted by halloween 65 Looks to be better than Bush. In his very limited time on the field vs. Bush time on the field, he has out performed Bush at FS. No one can say Bush hasn't had his chances to try to secure the FS posision at one point in time but I also feel if Warren had a honest opportunity as Bush has had he could have secured the FS position. I will give it to Bush on ST, he isn't to bad but he's not a real FS wheather they have him listed as one or not. I would like Payton to really tell the truth on why he was let go. The only reason Rafael Bush gets any run is because of one big hit in a game against the Seahawks a couple years ago. He's literally done nothing else noteworthy in his time with the team. I wish we had let Atlanta sign him last year when they were interested.

09-07-2015, 10:41 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints waiving rookie Ashaad Mabry and Kenny Phillips So far so good, no one has claimed Mabry or Warren yet. Fingers crossed Cruize, jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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