Have you given up yet?

hagan714 · 09-21-2015, 07:12 AM

Like jnormand I have seen it all from day 1 at Tulane stadium. I am here and always will here as a saints fan. Most of us old timers did not drink the koolaid and look at a team like this as a starting place for what will come.

Is there a foundation to build on? I have seen worse so there is a plus. Now the hard question.

How long will it take? Can not take as long as it did before just to become a winner. Or will it? fan in me says nahhhh

Lessons learned? Mickie magic pencil can only do so much year in and year out.

Quick look at our team
Average age 26.15 not bad ranks us 17th in the NFL.
Rams are the youngest team at 24.98. How did they do it? The draft. The cap will catch up to them just like the sea hawks.

Now here is the real issue at hand
2015 New Orleans Saints ranked 32 in the cap
Cap money used? $145,092,430
Cap space left $56,406

Dead money? $30,784,986

There in lies the issue at hand. that is a lot of talent we can not field for whatever issue.

When do we honestly have a shot of getting out from under this mess?

2016 cap money spent? $151,699,720
oppsss over by $-1,699,720 not bad we have seen worse. A silver lining?
Dead cap? $14,893,097 getting better but still #1 in the NFL. Then again anything looks better after 2015

2017 cap money spent? $87,684,281

So without getting bogged down in even more money talk. The way I look at this team in 2015 and the team in 2016 is a simplistic view of expectations.

Can we field a competitive team while getting younger and even cheaper by 2017?

Hard question will be letting Drew walk to chase the ring before he hangs up his cleats and live with a high comp pick in return?

Either way 2017 is the magic year and with some luck and some divine intervention in the draft we might be ready to make a push for the promise land yet again

SmashMouth · 09-21-2015, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Like jnormand I have seen it all from day 1 at Tulane stadium. I am here and always will here as a saints fan. Most of us old timers did not drink the koolaid and look at a team like this as a starting place for what will come.

Is there a foundation to build on? I have seen worse so there is a plus. Now the hard question.

How long will it take? Can not take as long as it did before just to become a winner. Or will it? fan in me says nahhhh

Lessons learned? Mickie magic pencil can only do so much year in and year out.

Quick look at our team
Average age 26.15 not bad ranks us 17th in the NFL.
Rams are the youngest team at 24.98. How did they do it? The draft. The cap will catch up to them just like the sea hawks.

Now here is the real issue at hand
2015 New Orleans Saints ranked 32 in the cap
Cap money used? $145,092,430
Cap space left $56,406

Dead money? $30,784,986

There in lies the issue at hand. that is a lot of talent we can not field for whatever issue.

When do we honestly have a shot of getting out from under this mess?

2016 cap money spent? $151,699,720
oppsss over by $-1,699,720 not bad we have seen worse. A silver lining?
Dead cap? $14,893,097 getting better but still #1 in the NFL. Then again anything looks better from the bottom up.

2017 cap money spent? $87,684,281

Now this is the gold age of the cap for the saints. Or is it

Drew Brees QB 36 $27,400,000 UFA
Max Unger C 29$6,000,000 UFA
Marques Colston WR 32 $5,900,000 UFA
David Hawthorne ILB 30 $4,510,000 UFA
Kenny Vaccaro SS 24 $2,998,772 UFA
Ramon Humber

Out of those six, likely just Unger and KVac will remain with the team. So yeah, cap will be better. But we'll need to nail our drafts in the next couple of years.

I guess Saints management has not learned from the school of New England Patriots, the very organization they touted as trying to model after.

Danno · 09-23-2015, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Lessons learned? Mickie magic pencil can only do so much year in and year out.
Dead cap? $14,893,097 getting better but still #1 in the NFL. Then again anything looks better after 2015

12 of that 14 million in dead money is because of Junior F'ing Galette.

If Junior hadn't gone psycho on us we'd be in fantastic shape next year.

09-21-2015, 07:12 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Have you given up yet? Like jnormand I have seen it all from day 1 at Tulane stadium. I am here and always will here as a saints fan. Most of us old timers did not drink the koolaid and look at a team like this as a starting place for what will come. Is there a foundation to build on? I have seen worse so there is a plus. Now the hard question. How long will it take? Can not take as long as it did before just to become a winner. Or will it? fan in me says nahhhh Lessons learned? Mickie magic pencil can only do so much year in and year out. Quick look at our team Average age 26.15 not bad ranks us 17th in the NFL. Rams are the youngest team at 24.98. How did they do it? The draft. The cap will catch up to them just like the sea hawks. Now here is the real issue at hand 2015 New Orleans Saints ranked 32 in the cap Cap money used? $145,092,430 Cap space left $56,406 Dead money? $30,784,986 There in lies the issue at hand. that is a lot of talent we can not field for whatever issue. When do we honestly have a shot of getting out from under this mess? 2016 cap money spent? $151,699,720 oppsss over by $-1,699,720 not bad we have seen worse. A silver lining? Dead cap? $14,893,097 getting better but still #1 in the NFL. Then again anything looks better after 2015 2017 cap money spent? $87,684,281 So without getting bogged down in even more money talk. The way I look at this team in 2015 and the team in 2016 is a simplistic view of expectations. Can we field a competitive team while getting younger and even cheaper by 2017? Hard question will be letting Drew walk to chase the ring before he hangs up his cleats and live with a high comp pick in return? Either way 2017 is the magic year and with some luck and some divine intervention in the draft we might be ready to make a push for the promise land yet again foreverfan and Rugby Saint II like this.
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09-21-2015, 07:39 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,975 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Have you given up yet? Originally Posted by hagan714 Like jnormand I have seen it all from day 1 at Tulane stadium. I am here and always will here as a saints fan. Most of us old timers did not drink the koolaid and look at a team like this as a starting place for what will come. Is there a foundation to build on? I have seen worse so there is a plus. Now the hard question. How long will it take? Can not take as long as it did before just to become a winner. Or will it? fan in me says nahhhh Lessons learned? Mickie magic pencil can only do so much year in and year out. Quick look at our team Average age 26.15 not bad ranks us 17th in the NFL. Rams are the youngest team at 24.98. How did they do it? The draft. The cap will catch up to them just like the sea hawks. Now here is the real issue at hand 2015 New Orleans Saints ranked 32 in the cap Cap money used? $145,092,430 Cap space left $56,406 Dead money? $30,784,986 There in lies the issue at hand. that is a lot of talent we can not field for whatever issue. When do we honestly have a shot of getting out from under this mess? 2016 cap money spent? $151,699,720 oppsss over by $-1,699,720 not bad we have seen worse. A silver lining? Dead cap? $14,893,097 getting better but still #1 in the NFL. Then again anything looks better from the bottom up. 2017 cap money spent? $87,684,281 Now this is the gold age of the cap for the saints. Or is it Drew Brees QB 36 $27,400,000 UFA Max Unger C 29$6,000,000 UFA Marques Colston WR 32 $5,900,000 UFA David Hawthorne ILB 30 $4,510,000 UFA Kenny Vaccaro SS 24 $2,998,772 UFA Ramon Humber Out of those six, likely just Unger and KVac will remain with the team. So yeah, cap will be better. But we'll need to nail our drafts in the next couple of years. I guess Saints management has not learned from the school of New England Patriots, the very organization they touted as trying to model after. hagan714 likes this.
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09-23-2015, 05:24 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Have you given up yet? Originally Posted by hagan714 Lessons learned? Mickie magic pencil can only do so much year in and year out. Dead cap? $14,893,097 getting better but still #1 in the NFL. Then again anything looks better after 2015 12 of that 14 million in dead money is because of Junior F'ing Galette. If Junior hadn't gone psycho on us we'd be in fantastic shape next year. jnormand likes this.

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