Common theme

K Major · 09-27-2015, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

We might could trade for Andre Johnson.

Why would we? In the 2 games I've seen, he looks slightly bigger, slower and lost a step. The youth movement is the only way you are going to get better at this level.

Halo · 09-27-2015, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

The problem was McCown throwing deep right. That was dumb. He should not have thrown that way, there was no way Cooks was gonna get that TD anyway.

No way, I can't take anything from McCown, he did his part. Int or not, we gave up too many points!!! We had at least 2 defensive drives where WE COULD NOT STOP CAROLINA and it looked like WE WERE ASLEEP AT THE DEFENSIVE WHEEL! Carolina scored 27!!!!

We lost games so far in 2015: 27-22, 26-19, 31-19, and it goes back to 2014 like that.

Opponents are already averaging mid-20's points per game. Offense simply cannot outscore them. It's pure math - our defense cannot stop teams from scoring at-will!!! Until our defense improves and begins to stop teams, it doesn't matter what the offense does so long as the defense is a doormat!!!

vpheughan · 10-01-2015, 09:58 AM

Think of the Dan Fouts era Chargers. Offense like a pinball machine, defense like a sieve!

Mardigras9 · 10-01-2015, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Last two years it was the defense's failure in the closing seconds, numerous times.

Yes, both side of the ball are to blame depending on the game, pretty sure this is NOT the kind of balance the team is striving for.

Budsdrinker · 10-01-2015, 10:17 AM

McCown played well but the knock on him has always been accuracy. Payton was asking too much of him to make that throw to a smaller receiver in the endzone. And my other problem with taking that shot is there was still over 1:30 left in the game. Does anyone really believe our D was going to stop Carolina from scoring even if we would have scored that TD and taken the lead. We were doing just fine picking up 5-10 yards at a time eating up the clock.

Barry from MS · 10-01-2015, 12:00 PM

Common theme: leaving points on the field.

Against Tampa, we let them block an extra point earlier in the 4th quarter. With 3 minutes left in the game, we found ourselves 4 points down and 70 yards to go. Don't think Tampa had the mental edge with that? Our offense fumbled with that possession to squander the comeback, but it's the principal.

Against Carolina, we return a punt for a TD to break a tie only to stooge-up an extra point which forces us to go for 2 later in the 4th quarter which we fail to make. Instead of 27-24 with 3 minutes and the ball on our own 29 yard line, it is 27-22.

Common theme: missed extra points has put us at huge disadvantages at the end of the last 2 divisional games. Why is nobody talking about this?

burningmetal · 10-01-2015, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Common theme: leaving points on the field.

Against Tampa, we let them block an extra point earlier in the 4th quarter. With 3 minutes left in the game, we found ourselves 4 points down and 70 yards to go. Don't think Tampa had the mental edge with that? Our offense fumbled with that possession to squander the comeback, but it's the principal.

Against Carolina, we return a punt for a TD to break a tie only to stooge-up an extra point which forces us to go for 2 later in the 4th quarter which we fail to make. Instead of 27-24 with 3 minutes and the ball on our own 29 yard line, it is 27-22.

Common theme: missed extra points has put us at huge disadvantages at the end of the last 2 divisional games. Why is nobody talking about this?

I certainly noticed, but at the end it made no difference against Carolina. That doesn't excuse it, but it gets forgotten because of the way the game ended.

We didn't HAVE to take a shot at the endzone there, even down by 5 instead of 3. We just needed a first down. Had we been down 3, I have no reason to believe Payton would have called the play any differently. A field would have tied it, but a touchdown gives us the lead. So you have to figure he's gonna call that play no matter what.

That being said, I didn't like the call. Not just because it didn't work, but because it would have left way too much time for our leaky defense to stop them. The bottom line is we're doing very little right. McCown's performance was easily the highlight of our season, thus far, in my opinion.

RailBoss · 10-01-2015, 03:06 PM

In the past Brees had to put up incredible points just to keep up with our Defense.

Exxcalibur · 10-01-2015, 04:20 PM

We lost with a backup and along list of injuries to the best defensive play of the year.

That's actually pretty decent.

Danno · 10-01-2015, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Exxcalibur

We lost with a backup and along list of injuries to the best defensive play of the year.

That's actually pretty decent.

Agreed. That pass was 1 inch away from being a game winner and McCown being the talk of the NFL for the entire week. That was an awesome play by their CB. From what I've read he's gonna be a great one.

09-27-2015, 06:44 PM	#41
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Common theme Originally Posted by WillSaints81 We might could trade for Andre Johnson. Why would we? In the 2 games I've seen, he looks slightly bigger, slower and lost a step. The youth movement is the only way you are going to get better at this level.

09-27-2015, 07:01 PM	#42
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,718 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Common theme Originally Posted by WillSaints81 The problem was McCown throwing deep right. That was dumb. He should not have thrown that way, there was no way Cooks was gonna get that TD anyway. No way, I can't take anything from McCown, he did his part. Int or not, we gave up too many points!!! We had at least 2 defensive drives where WE COULD NOT STOP CAROLINA and it looked like WE WERE ASLEEP AT THE DEFENSIVE WHEEL! Carolina scored 27!!!! We lost games so far in 2015: 27-22, 26-19, 31-19, and it goes back to 2014 like that. Opponents are already averaging mid-20's points per game. Offense simply cannot outscore them. It's pure math - our defense cannot stop teams from scoring at-will!!! Until our defense improves and begins to stop teams, it doesn't matter what the offense does so long as the defense is a doormat!!! pherein, SaintsBro and SaintsBro like this.
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10-01-2015, 09:58 AM	#43
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10-01-2015, 10:10 AM	#44
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Common theme Originally Posted by Danno Last two years it was the defense's failure in the closing seconds, numerous times. Yes, both side of the ball are to blame depending on the game, pretty sure this is NOT the kind of balance the team is striving for.

10-01-2015, 10:17 AM	#45
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Common theme McCown played well but the knock on him has always been accuracy. Payton was asking too much of him to make that throw to a smaller receiver in the endzone. And my other problem with taking that shot is there was still over 1:30 left in the game. Does anyone really believe our D was going to stop Carolina from scoring even if we would have scored that TD and taken the lead. We were doing just fine picking up 5-10 yards at a time eating up the clock. RailBoss likes this.

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10-01-2015, 12:00 PM	#46
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Common theme Common theme: leaving points on the field. Against Tampa, we let them block an extra point earlier in the 4th quarter. With 3 minutes left in the game, we found ourselves 4 points down and 70 yards to go. Don't think Tampa had the mental edge with that? Our offense fumbled with that possession to squander the comeback, but it's the principal. Against Carolina, we return a punt for a TD to break a tie only to stooge-up an extra point which forces us to go for 2 later in the 4th quarter which we fail to make. Instead of 27-24 with 3 minutes and the ball on our own 29 yard line, it is 27-22. Common theme: missed extra points has put us at huge disadvantages at the end of the last 2 divisional games. Why is nobody talking about this?
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10-01-2015, 12:26 PM	#47
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Common theme Originally Posted by Barry from MS Common theme: leaving points on the field. Against Tampa, we let them block an extra point earlier in the 4th quarter. With 3 minutes left in the game, we found ourselves 4 points down and 70 yards to go. Don't think Tampa had the mental edge with that? Our offense fumbled with that possession to squander the comeback, but it's the principal. Against Carolina, we return a punt for a TD to break a tie only to stooge-up an extra point which forces us to go for 2 later in the 4th quarter which we fail to make. Instead of 27-24 with 3 minutes and the ball on our own 29 yard line, it is 27-22. Common theme: missed extra points has put us at huge disadvantages at the end of the last 2 divisional games. Why is nobody talking about this? I certainly noticed, but at the end it made no difference against Carolina. That doesn't excuse it, but it gets forgotten because of the way the game ended. We didn't HAVE to take a shot at the endzone there, even down by 5 instead of 3. We just needed a first down. Had we been down 3, I have no reason to believe Payton would have called the play any differently. A field would have tied it, but a touchdown gives us the lead. So you have to figure he's gonna call that play no matter what. That being said, I didn't like the call. Not just because it didn't work, but because it would have left way too much time for our leaky defense to stop them. The bottom line is we're doing very little right. McCown's performance was easily the highlight of our season, thus far, in my opinion. Barry from MS likes this.
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10-01-2015, 03:06 PM	#48
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Common theme Originally Posted by Exxcalibur We lost with a backup and along list of injuries to the best defensive play of the year. That's actually pretty decent. Agreed. That pass was 1 inch away from being a game winner and McCown being the talk of the NFL for the entire week. That was an awesome play by their CB. From what I've read he's gonna be a great one.

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