Fire Rob Ryan

spkb25 · 09-27-2015, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What I don't understand is the lack of a blitz from Rob .

He definitely don't have his old man's aggressiveness that's for sure.

exactly. cant stop them anyway, might as well go out like a candle burning from both ends

ChrisXVI · 09-27-2015, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What I don't understand is the lack of a blitz from Rob .

He definitely don't have his old man's aggressiveness that's for sure.

Dennis Allen influence. Rob has been neutered and told to keep it simple.

vtiger72 · 09-27-2015, 10:41 PM

Ryan tries to create exotic schemes, but his teams lack technique and fundamentals. It has become his calling card. The longer he stays somewhere, the worse his defenses get.

K Major · 09-28-2015, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Ryan tries to create exotic schemes, but his teams lack technique and fundamentals. It has become his calling card. The longer he stays somewhere, the worse his defenses get.

Read a very interesting stat (hopefully someone can post) earlier today on how Rob is using Kikaha in coverage compared to other notable rookie pass rushers.

Brace yourself ... Kikaha has dropped back in coverage over 38% of the time. That's three times as many as the next rookie pass rusher Kyle Manuel (11 %), Bud Dupree (10%), Shane Ray (3%)

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And you wonder why we are so bad on D. His scheme is laughable at times.

Cruize · 09-27-2015, 11:45 PM

Can't hurt. Worst pass rush I've ever seen. Can't cover a TE at all. No one making a play at all on defense. 3-8 over the last 11 regular season games.

Saintsfan4ever · 09-28-2015, 12:28 AM

Carolina doesn't have a host of talent on offense. It's basically Cam, Stewart, and Olsen (maybe Ginn Jr.). I can understand Cam getting his yards, he's an amazing athlete. I can understand Stewart getting his 3.5 average, but what I can't understand is a TE coming off the line unchecked after he's burned you multiple times for big gains. It's inexcusable. And Sean knows better.

dizzle88 · 09-28-2015, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever

Carolina doesn't have a host of talent on offense. It's basically Cam, Stewart, and Olsen (maybe Ginn Jr.). I can understand Cam getting his yards, he's an amazing athlete. I can understand Stewart getting his 3.5 average, but what I can't understand is a TE coming off the line unchecked after he's burned you multiple times for big gains. It's inexcusable. And Sean knows better.

SP looks like he's given up.
The team look like they don't want to play for him anymore.
We used to be the kings of half time adjustments, now even the raiders are making us look.pathetic.

RailBoss · 09-28-2015, 01:32 AM

I guess no one is holding SP accountable. The ownership is preoccupied fighting each other. So we have a trophy in the showcase what do we do next for kicks.

Crusader · 09-28-2015, 04:43 AM

Regardless of level of play there are two basic philosophies to playin a good defence.
You either take a bunch of great athletes and put them in a simple defence and just let them get after the opponent.
Or you take a bunch of lesser athletes and try to tailor the defence around the to cover up the deficencies.

Right now it feels like we are doing neither. I can't pinpoint what is lacking but we just don't have it right now.

I myself prefer the first scenario, I would like that we keep drafting defence and get a new DC to install a regular 4-3 with over and under fronts. 3-4 is nice and dandy but its so hard to find the right pieces.

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2015, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Regardless of level of play there are two basic philosophies to playin a good defence.
You either take a bunch of great athletes and put them in a simple defence and just let them get after the opponent.
Or you take a bunch of lesser athletes and try to tailor the defence around the to cover up the deficencies.

Right now it feels like we are doing neither. I can't pinpoint what is lacking but we just don't have it right now.

I myself prefer the first scenario, I would like that we keep drafting defence and get a new DC to install a regular 4-3 with over and under fronts. 3-4 is nice and dandy but its so hard to find the right pieces.

We don't have the athletes to implement the schemes because they are in the tub. Theoretically they look really good on paper. It's getting them on the field at the same time that matters. RR has had a bad run of luck with injuries wherever he's been.

09-27-2015, 09:03 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by K Major What I don't understand is the lack of a blitz from Rob . He definitely don't have his old man's aggressiveness that's for sure. exactly. cant stop them anyway, might as well go out like a candle burning from both ends

09-27-2015, 09:22 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by K Major What I don't understand is the lack of a blitz from Rob . He definitely don't have his old man's aggressiveness that's for sure. Dennis Allen influence. Rob has been neutered and told to keep it simple.

09-27-2015, 10:41 PM	#3
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Ryan tries to create exotic schemes, but his teams lack technique and fundamentals. It has become his calling card. The longer he stays somewhere, the worse his defenses get.
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09-28-2015, 08:11 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by vtiger72 Ryan tries to create exotic schemes, but his teams lack technique and fundamentals. It has become his calling card. The longer he stays somewhere, the worse his defenses get. Read a very interesting stat (hopefully someone can post) earlier today on how Rob is using Kikaha in coverage compared to other notable rookie pass rushers. Brace yourself ... Kikaha has dropped back in coverage over 38% of the time. That's three times as many as the next rookie pass rusher Kyle Manuel (11 %), Bud Dupree (10%), Shane Ray (3%) . And you wonder why we are so bad on D. His scheme is laughable at times. spkb25 likes this.

09-27-2015, 11:45 PM	#5
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Can't hurt. Worst pass rush I've ever seen. Can't cover a TE at all. No one making a play at all on defense. 3-8 over the last 11 regular season games.
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09-28-2015, 12:28 AM	#6
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Carolina doesn't have a host of talent on offense. It's basically Cam, Stewart, and Olsen (maybe Ginn Jr.). I can understand Cam getting his yards, he's an amazing athlete. I can understand Stewart getting his 3.5 average, but what I can't understand is a TE coming off the line unchecked after he's burned you multiple times for big gains. It's inexcusable. And Sean knows better. hagan714, Beastmode and brees84 like this.

09-28-2015, 12:54 AM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever Carolina doesn't have a host of talent on offense. It's basically Cam, Stewart, and Olsen (maybe Ginn Jr.). I can understand Cam getting his yards, he's an amazing athlete. I can understand Stewart getting his 3.5 average, but what I can't understand is a TE coming off the line unchecked after he's burned you multiple times for big gains. It's inexcusable. And Sean knows better. SP looks like he's given up. The team look like they don't want to play for him anymore. We used to be the kings of half time adjustments, now even the raiders are making us look.pathetic.

09-28-2015, 01:32 AM	#8
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Fire Rob Ryan I guess no one is holding SP accountable. The ownership is preoccupied fighting each other. So we have a trophy in the showcase what do we do next for kicks.

09-28-2015, 04:43 AM	#9
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,045	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Regardless of level of play there are two basic philosophies to playin a good defence. You either take a bunch of great athletes and put them in a simple defence and just let them get after the opponent. Or you take a bunch of lesser athletes and try to tailor the defence around the to cover up the deficencies. Right now it feels like we are doing neither. I can't pinpoint what is lacking but we just don't have it right now. I myself prefer the first scenario, I would like that we keep drafting defence and get a new DC to install a regular 4-3 with over and under fronts. 3-4 is nice and dandy but its so hard to find the right pieces. RailBoss, hagan714 and Cruize like this.
	W.T. Sherman is my favorite General. After all he did order Atlanta to be burned to the ground.

09-28-2015, 03:49 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Fire Rob Ryan Originally Posted by Crusader Regardless of level of play there are two basic philosophies to playin a good defence. You either take a bunch of great athletes and put them in a simple defence and just let them get after the opponent. Or you take a bunch of lesser athletes and try to tailor the defence around the to cover up the deficencies. Right now it feels like we are doing neither. I can't pinpoint what is lacking but we just don't have it right now. I myself prefer the first scenario, I would like that we keep drafting defence and get a new DC to install a regular 4-3 with over and under fronts. 3-4 is nice and dandy but its so hard to find the right pieces. We don't have the athletes to implement the schemes because they are in the tub. Theoretically they look really good on paper. It's getting them on the field at the same time that matters. RR has had a bad run of luck with injuries wherever he's been.

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