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Just b/c I love to stir the AB pot - what about Matt Hassleback? Just wondering, and this is totally hypothetical, but... why not? Seattle may be getting raided this year - he's a guy who could come in and start. Both AB and Hassleback really need a change of venue. Both teams need "new direction." Saints dump AB and his contract on Seattle (who then doesn't have to worry about signing another big-name player, and the Saints worry about Hassleback's contract. Whaddaya think? :)

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I would do backflips. As I said several times, he actually DOES suffer from a serious case of dropsies from his receivers. I would love to have this guy. He can put up AB\'s stats without the bone-headed plays AND without the me first attitude. DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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could we afford that? I don\'t know.

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There must be something about the way he throws then. I mean these WRs in Seattle all were catching balls fine in college. ;) I heard similar things about AB and our WRs dropping passes.

Anyway, I\'d be for this move. Change in scenery may help. It\'s definitely not a step backwards. Most importantly of all, the AB threads would probably slow down once he isn\'t around anymore!

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I think Hasselbeck better worry about trying to get his team to win a playoff game.

Hell, Hasselbeck can\'t win with one of the best runningbacks, 3 great receivers, and one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. And a coach that made Brett Farve a super bowl champ!

Isn\'t that why we need to get rid of Brooks? Minus the great offensive line and great coach, of course... ;)

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A change at that position is needed. IMHO, AB has the skills necessary to play the position in the NFL...but I am not sure if his head is screwed on right. His smiling quirk makes me wonder what exactly is going on in that head. His habit of making mistakes at the most inopportune time puts him on the borderline, and his egotistical personality tips the scale to the side of hasta la vista, baby. Perhaps if we would\'ve sandwiched just one more playoff trip into the last four years I would be willing to stick with him, but I am not convinced that the whole team is on board with AB, and if they are not, then the Saints are in trouble with him leading the way.
I am guessing that Hassleback is a game manager type QB, and perhaps that is what we need at this particular time. Whatever it takes to get over the hump, and I am for it.

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Actually Scotty, both Jackson and Robinson had hands questions coming out of college. Guess that hasn\'t changed in the pros. Nice shot though.

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I agree LB. One more trip to the playoffs and I would be stand offish. But combine the three factors you mentioned, and it is just too much. It is frustrating as hell. This is a deal that could be win win for us, and I would love to see it happen.

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For the record.

Haselbeck has a career comp. % less than 60%.

In his best year Haselbeck had 26TD and 15 ints.

Last year he completed only 58% and threw 22 TD and 15int.

And did it on an offense loaded with talent. And is coached by one of the best coaches in the NFL.

What\'s so great about this guy?

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He\'s a different QB.

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:dance:

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I\'m not saying no, but could someone explain his drop off in performance this year, just decrease my level of concern.

His QB rating dropped 5 points, and his completion percentage dropped 3 points (to below the coveted 60 mark, no less).

I don\'t think he is a bad option by any means.

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Yeah, but, but, but....

Aren\'t we trying to improve our team?

Oh, I get it ... Some folks don\'t care about that ... They just want Brooks gone.... ;)

Settle down folks........ I\'m just joking... :P

[Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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i would go for a lot less proven product than him. he is hoping to get franchised by seattle to get top 5 pay. i think they will franchise walter jones or alexander before him. he\'ll probably draw terms similar to AB on the open market. if favre retires gb is sposed to be ready to jump on him. arz or clev possible. IF ya open a spot for him on the roster, sure, bring him on. he has a wilt under pressure rep but is similar to AB in that a change of scenery may help. i do think there is better bang for the buck players out there tho. kinda a pipe dream imaging this front office making a splash like that anyhoo. i would be thrilled to see them get at least a tommy polley to hartwell lb.

seattle\'s wide outs were ridiculed more than any other team last year for endless drops, not great at all.

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Kool, I know you are a fan of QB rating so look at Hass\' career rating.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12429

In that same list at the bottom look at his FUMBLES. Not even close.

Just so you can compare here is AB.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133233

Hasselbeck has at least completed over 60% for a season, TWICE. AB never, ever, ever, not gonna happen.

But here\'s some more stats to compare. Look at this and look at his percentage of drops as compared to bad passes at the bottom.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/...4416&Submit=Go

Now look at AB\'s:

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/...4781&Submit=Go

Vastly different.

Now also consider I have yet to hear anyone say he is not a team guy, I don\'t recall him being on any blooper reels, and I have yet to hear him call himself great on ESPN and diss his team. All signs say YES IMMEDIATELY MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

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Hasselback isn\'t any better than AB. While I am no Brooks fan I got to say -- AB at least has an upside (strong arm - good legs - potential). Hassleback has nothing -- and has done nothing with a better coach. In order to get risd of AB we need a definite imptovement -- and lets not bring up Brees the 1 year wonder -- I would rather have a young QB like RIvers.

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Well, Hasselbeck is a good option, I don\'t know though.... Where is The Brooks I first Fell in Love with, when Blake went down?
This is Truly a case of his Desire dropping after the contract..... He is Not Vick, But at least he could go all out sometimes.......... He doesn\'t even seem to know when or when not to scramble anymore. And to me that is one of the Main Reasons His Opponets are so numerous, Except for Backward passes, Fumbles, smirks and his Greater than His team attitude as of late... Brooks could be one of the Best, with new inspiration........... That is why I think it would Be good for Brooks and the Saints, to Part ways.........
I do not want to give him away, I would Rather a quality Vetern to step in for him, or keep him as insurance for a stud draft pick!!!!!!!
My only concern with keeping him is if he performs worse there we are holding the Bag with no Value for trade and a remaining big contract, his value is decent right now!!!!!!

As Far as Hasselbeck is concerned, I think he couldn\'t do any worse........ but I do not know how much better he would be..........

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Hasselbeck not better than AB?? LMAO. Now that is funny. If anything he is AB WITHOUT all the extra baggage you get with AB. Fumbles, bad attitude, lackadaisical(sp?) effort, ego. His attitude alone is a huge upgrade. I am with WD on this one, we keep AB another year and he makes the top 2 of Sportscenter\'s top 10 bonehead plays of the year AGAIN(I think he had only one the year before) his value will PLUMETT and we will be left holding the bag on his already too big contract. The time is now.

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AND, he can throw a TOUCH PASS, he knows what it is. Isn\'t that alone worth the deal? ;)

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all the excitement requires a ab exit strategy tho. who would take him and how much could you get?

my general managing viable options...

SF for pick #33, go with his daddy and relieve them of having to pick rodgers or smith as unworthy #1s

DAL for some kinda pick #20 or #43 combo, cant see parcells going for him tho

CLEV could we get romeo to fall for him for pick #35?

ARZ dennis greene migt like his \"skills\" for a 2nd rder

SEA replace hasslebeck for pick #23

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SF, ARI, or SEA most likely. Denny Green did bring in Randall Cunningham for Pete\'s sake in Minny. lol Parcells, too smart as well as Crennel, but he may be looking for a quick fix, and if Browns fans don\'t watch ESPN he may be able to sell Brooks to them as the QB they need. They sold Garcia.

[Edited on 11/2/2005 by saintswhodi]

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It is good to examine the real possibilities, but Imo, If we trade for draft pick either 1 or 2 round. We need to include another pick if it is a second rounder maybe a 5th or 6th, and we will still Need a Vetern QB. That brings us to Hasselbeck or some other prospect to bring in, even if we draft a QB, cause he will need time to develope. I do not know if Haz and company are serious about improving, or just patching holes.. If they are, we could probably make the Sanfran thing work......

And Possibly Arz Dennis Green situation for a 2 and Later round pick, cause lets adress the Glaring possibility, \"now this is just a possibility\" That Green would bring him in, Cause of his ethnicity, as a bonus to his \"skills\". Now before you all call me Rush Limbaugh, (whom I like)... THink about it..... Brooks isn\'t Horrible football player, and I think He and Denny could hit it off good, and possibly give the tin man Qb a heart..... or errrrr is it the Scarecrow Qb a Brain, in any case we know Denny Green would not object to a black Qb.......

I know, I know, contraversial...... I am not prejudice at all, but I am no fool to think it dosen\'t Exist....

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I am not gonna criticize you WD, I thought along those lines, maybe not exactly. I saw Cunningham, then I saw Culpepper and it may be that Green likes a certain kind of QB, not necessarily black. But tall, mobile, and with a strong arm. That AT LEAST is AB. If we can make that deal let\'s do it. With an extra second or first we could address QB sooner rather than later. And maybe we could get them to part with safety Adrian Wilson or something. That guy is a stud.

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saintswhodi
I really in all honesty Wish Brooks could Prove us all wrong and kick @$$, but he has had chances, and I think he leaves the feild with somthing left in his tank he could have used.....
I honestly Like Brooks and wish the Best to him in whatever case....... I would like to get someone in here for a fresh start, and Adrian Wilson would be a great addition, but although I think green is Biased in some situations, I do not think he is dumb...... But here is to hoping a second rounder and Wilson I am all for that!!!!!!!

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I agree. I hoped beyond hope that AB would get it together, I have no reason to personally dislike the guy. But he hasn\'t, and I am tired of it. I don\'t care if he goes somewhere else and goes to a Superbowl, oh wait, that was Delhomme. ;) At any rate, for whatever reason, he is not getting over that hump HERE. Whether it be coaching, fans like myself who want him out, the water, whatever. HE is not developing and make any strides forward. He is the same QB from 4 years ago with a bigger contract, bigger ego, less mobility, and a case of the dropsies. If we could get Wilson and a 2nd from Arizona, holy crap what a coup that would be.

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:whip: :casstet:
Not to whip a Dead horse or anything, but OMG....
I wish THe hometown boy woulda got his shot here.......
Delhome you are missed....... also we should have kept O\'sullivan over Bouman!!!!!!!

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... not an official count, but according to stats.com, Seattle receivers dropped 38 balls last year...

..now, like I said before, I am not a stats guy, although this wouldn\'t be a \"stat\" , since it is the total number of passes dropped and not an average; furthermore, I don\'t know the criteria that is used to determine whether a pass is \"dropped\" or just \"incomplete\": could be balls that hit the WR in the numbers or balls that merely grace the fingertips of the WR, even if the ball wasn\'t really catchable, or if they count as a drop a WR getting hammered and at the exact time the ball gets to him, so it could be subjective... we know that the last drop ball hit Robinson in the numbers, though...

..so that \"ties\" Seattle at #2 for most passes dropped with KC and Miami, behind Jax (42), i, and just ahead of Detroit and Carolina with 36 a piece...

... in comparison, Saints receivers dropped 25...

discuss amongst yourselves..

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Tobias-Reiper
Ok you sold me...... easy as that........ By Arron LOL.
no serious, that is impresive, with the same criteria on the drops for each team shows that Hasselbeck had a big problem with that, and Arron not as big a problem....... HMMMMM...... Food for thought :hungry:

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Very crafty Mr. Ro!

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...speaking of trade...

..do you guys forget who has been the biggest AB sponsor throughout AB\'s pro career? Do you know where he\'s at?

..Julian Peterson, anybody???


...yeah yeah, I know, I\'m daydeaming...

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Nice job again Tobias.

WD, I have been fighting forever with folks wanting to blame the drops as a big problem for AB, and we are nowhere near the league leaders. Juat another of many of the mis-leading items that are thrown out there in defense of AB, instead of him just not being able to get it done.

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We discussed San Fran TR, but ARI seems more likely if it were to happen.

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I still think I\'d prefer Rattay over Brooks, with Sheppard as OC you may see something different. This is also not an \"Anyone but Brooks thread.\" The only other option that I see is Turk Schornert(sp) kicking Brooks in the backside and MAKING him step up. I fear that is the only way this is going to get done. The buddy, buddy approach hasn\'t worked.

But I agree totally with one sentiment on this thread. Brooks needs a change of venue. If he does well elsewhere good for him, but I don\'t believe that he will be able to reinvent himself here. There\'s too much poor history.

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Whodi,

I\'m aware of the stats, but thanks for the links.

My question wasn\'t about whether or not Hass is better than AB. That is why I didn\'t say \"no\" - you are well aware of my standards on who does get a \"no\".

My question was \"why did Hass trail off last year\" over previous years\' perfomances. I was genuinely just interested. Perhaps he is on the way down? Maybe he was injured? I was just wondering about that.

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I was providing those links, especially the second ones, so you can see the amount of drops by his receivers, including the drop in the playoff game against the Rams where they would have won. Plus the fact that Koren Robinson, his second or first receiver option depending on the season had his drug suspension and himself dropped almost half the passes thrown his way in crucial situations, most famously on a 3rd down play that would have given them the first down to run out the clock on the Rams and win their first meeting. The Rams went on to win that game too. The receiving talent he was accustomed to definitely let him down this year. That\'s the explanation.

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Ah ha.

Ok.

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Hassleback has no where near the talent Brooks has, are you kidding us?
Give Brooks the same line as Hassleback and you would see a much improved Brooks, Hassleback?, Playoffs, with Hassleback?Hassleback, that\'s funny

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God, that would be awesome.

[Edited on 13/2/2005 by turbo_dog]

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Okay Longtime, watever you say. LMAO!!! We can also add Hasselbeck committs nowhere near the dumb mistakes AB does. Wanna add that? He puts up similar stats with receivers who drop EVERYTHING. Please.

[Edited on 13/2/2005 by JOESAM2002]

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saintswhodi

I really think Hasslback is an ok QB but just don\'t think that he could move the Saints further in the right direction than Brooks so why bring him in, now there are some teams that he could improve, Bears, 49\'s, Washington and a few others, but I think Brooks has more talent and has a much better arm than Hassleback, if you were to ask me which QB would I be willing to trade Brooks for it would be a P.Manning, Brady or even a Culpepper, if you trade , trade for an improvment.
Seems that we talk about Brooks a lot on this site which makes it interesting and fun.
I guess I don\'t like changes unless it\'s for the better