Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2015, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Why so confrontational buddy? My opinion is based on watching football and actually knowing who Michael Hoomanawanui is. He's a solid player to add to the mix and he's a good character guy but he's not a difference maker. Just my opinion... Please give us your logic on why he may be a difference maker.

Did I say he was going to make a difference? No. I asked why you were so sure he wouldn't. The point I was making is that none of can know until he actually plays for us. If there is some concrete reason why you feel he is not capable of making a difference I want to hear what that might be.

vpheughan · 10-03-2015, 09:00 AM

The crowd look on in fascination as it turned on itself........

hagan714 · 10-03-2015, 11:22 AM

I will go on record now.

we should have let him walk and go for the comp pick instead

So the Pats were the smart ones once again. They traded a TE that has not really made his way onto the roster. He is buried deep in the depth charts at an already over crowded TE position.

The icing on the cake is if in 2016 he walk they have a shot at a comp pick and actual still gain in the end.

Once again the Pats FO proves to be the best in the NFL and the Saints are not even close to measuring up to the standards of the pats FO

This is one of the stupidest moves I have seen the saints pull

hagan714 · 10-03-2015, 11:30 AM

Akiem Hicks brings size, power to Patriots; can he adjust to new scheme?

Summary. The 2015 tape wasn't very kind to Hicks, who was on the ground a lot and was easily blocked for a majority of snaps. But those who have watched Hicks closer, and others who have played with him, relay that he is unstoppable when he wants to be (e.g. 2013 season). Overall, I view this as a "traits" trade in the sense that Hicks' combination of size, power and age makes him a player worthy of working with to see if something clicks. Also, maybe the trade, change of scenery and pending free agency lights a fire in Hicks that sparks a greater performance than he showed early this season. Projecting how a defensive lineman will transition to a new scheme is tricky, as we learned two years ago with Isaac Sopoaga, who struggled in moving from more of a one-gapping 3-4 defense to the Patriots' two-gapping style of play. Hicks has much more upside than Sopoaga did, but I think the comparison is a good one because it highlights the unknown of projecting a player to a scheme/techniques that he hasn't consistently played.

Akiem Hicks brings size, power to New England Patriots D-line - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN

dizzle88 · 10-03-2015, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Akiem Hicks brings size, power to Patriots; can he adjust to new scheme?

Summary. The 2015 tape wasn't very kind to Hicks, who was on the ground a lot and was easily blocked for a majority of snaps. But those who have watched Hicks closer, and others who have played with him, relay that he is unstoppable when he wants to be (e.g. 2013 season). Overall, I view this as a "traits" trade in the sense that Hicks' combination of size, power and age makes him a player worthy of working with to see if something clicks. Also, maybe the trade, change of scenery and pending free agency lights a fire in Hicks that sparks a greater performance than he showed early this season. Projecting how a defensive lineman will transition to a new scheme is tricky, as we learned two years ago with Isaac Sopoaga, who struggled in moving from more of a one-gapping 3-4 defense to the Patriots' two-gapping style of play. Hicks has much more upside than Sopoaga did, but I think the comparison is a good one because it highlights the unknown of projecting a player to a scheme/techniques that he hasn't consistently played.

Akiem Hicks brings size, power to New England Patriots D-line - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN

I guess he just didn't want to play well then? Lol

The Dude · 10-03-2015, 12:14 PM

Hicks is going to be just like Ninkovich. He will go there and shine. He has the talent but has not developed. That's coaching.

Danno · 10-03-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Hicks is going to be just like Ninkovich. He will go there and shine. He has the talent but has not developed. That's coaching.

Not a big fan of this trade on paper.

They get an underachieving DL with All-Pro potential
We get an over-achieving TE, who's mostly a blocker, with very limited upside.

I realize we were probably going to lose him to Free Agency next year, but other than that I just don't get it.

I don't like the Ninkovich comparisons because Nink just couldn't stay healthy with us or with Miami. Had he been able to stay healthy he'd probably still be a Saint. The Ninkovich you see now is not the same Ninkovich we had.

Besides, he's a 3-4 OLB and at the time we were running a pure 4-3.

QBREES9 · 10-03-2015, 01:26 PM

Where did this kid play his college ball.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2015, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Where did this kid play his college ball.

Illinois

10-03-2015, 12:08 AM	#91
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Why so confrontational buddy? My opinion is based on watching football and actually knowing who Michael Hoomanawanui is. He's a solid player to add to the mix and he's a good character guy but he's not a difference maker. Just my opinion... Please give us your logic on why he may be a difference maker. Did I say he was going to make a difference? No. I asked why you were so sure he wouldn't. The point I was making is that none of can know until he actually plays for us. If there is some concrete reason why you feel he is not capable of making a difference I want to hear what that might be.

10-03-2015, 09:00 AM	#92
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui The crowd look on in fascination as it turned on itself........
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10-03-2015, 11:22 AM	#93
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui I will go on record now. we should have let him walk and go for the comp pick instead So the Pats were the smart ones once again. They traded a TE that has not really made his way onto the roster. He is buried deep in the depth charts at an already over crowded TE position. The icing on the cake is if in 2016 he walk they have a shot at a comp pick and actual still gain in the end. Once again the Pats FO proves to be the best in the NFL and the Saints are not even close to measuring up to the standards of the pats FO This is one of the stupidest moves I have seen the saints pull Rsanders24 and brees84 like this.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 10-03-2015 at 11:39 AM..

10-03-2015, 11:30 AM	#94
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui Akiem Hicks brings size, power to Patriots; can he adjust to new scheme? Summary. The 2015 tape wasn't very kind to Hicks, who was on the ground a lot and was easily blocked for a majority of snaps. But those who have watched Hicks closer, and others who have played with him, relay that he is unstoppable when he wants to be (e.g. 2013 season). Overall, I view this as a "traits" trade in the sense that Hicks' combination of size, power and age makes him a player worthy of working with to see if something clicks. Also, maybe the trade, change of scenery and pending free agency lights a fire in Hicks that sparks a greater performance than he showed early this season. Projecting how a defensive lineman will transition to a new scheme is tricky, as we learned two years ago with Isaac Sopoaga, who struggled in moving from more of a one-gapping 3-4 defense to the Patriots' two-gapping style of play. Hicks has much more upside than Sopoaga did, but I think the comparison is a good one because it highlights the unknown of projecting a player to a scheme/techniques that he hasn't consistently played. Akiem Hicks brings size, power to New England Patriots D-line - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

10-03-2015, 11:45 AM	#95
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui Originally Posted by hagan714 Akiem Hicks brings size, power to Patriots; can he adjust to new scheme? Summary. The 2015 tape wasn't very kind to Hicks, who was on the ground a lot and was easily blocked for a majority of snaps. But those who have watched Hicks closer, and others who have played with him, relay that he is unstoppable when he wants to be (e.g. 2013 season). Overall, I view this as a "traits" trade in the sense that Hicks' combination of size, power and age makes him a player worthy of working with to see if something clicks. Also, maybe the trade, change of scenery and pending free agency lights a fire in Hicks that sparks a greater performance than he showed early this season. Projecting how a defensive lineman will transition to a new scheme is tricky, as we learned two years ago with Isaac Sopoaga, who struggled in moving from more of a one-gapping 3-4 defense to the Patriots' two-gapping style of play. Hicks has much more upside than Sopoaga did, but I think the comparison is a good one because it highlights the unknown of projecting a player to a scheme/techniques that he hasn't consistently played. Akiem Hicks brings size, power to New England Patriots D-line - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN I guess he just didn't want to play well then? Lol Halo likes this.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Saints trade Akiem Hicks for Patriots Michael Hoomanawanui Originally Posted by The Dude Hicks is going to be just like Ninkovich. He will go there and shine. He has the talent but has not developed. That's coaching. Not a big fan of this trade on paper. They get an underachieving DL with All-Pro potential We get an over-achieving TE, who's mostly a blocker, with very limited upside. I realize we were probably going to lose him to Free Agency next year, but other than that I just don't get it. I don't like the Ninkovich comparisons because Nink just couldn't stay healthy with us or with Miami. Had he been able to stay healthy he'd probably still be a Saint. The Ninkovich you see now is not the same Ninkovich we had. Besides, he's a 3-4 OLB and at the time we were running a pure 4-3.

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