Brees restructure/ Hicks trade?

Danno · 10-01-2015, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not if you want to have any hope for the remainder of the season. Only losers fire coaches midseason.

I agree thats accurate 90% of the time. But if you have a competent assistant who can take over for a DC that has proven to be incompetent or has lost the respect of the players then I think you pull the trigger.

Not saying Ryan is there yet, or that Dennis Allen is that guy who can take over, but its certainly not out of the realm of believe-ability.

burningmetal · 10-01-2015, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not if you want to have any hope for the remainder of the season. Only losers fire coaches midseason.

I haven't seen a lot of people talking about in-season firings. It's generally understood that when people want someone fired, they mean after the season. This is absolutely the last year for a lot of these guys on staff if things don't turn around drastically.

We went 7-9 last year, when some had us going to the superbowl. Now we're 0-3. What is the definition of loser, if we aren't it? That's not a personal shot at their character (though there have been a few of those issues with players who have since left the building) but it's an indisputable fact on the field.

vpheughan · 10-01-2015, 08:48 AM

Spending 5.2 gets you 2.6? Is that a WIN - win? Do all of these transactions cost the team $1.00 for every .50 cents they pay?

AsylumGuido · 10-01-2015, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Spending 5.2 gets you 2.6? Is that a WIN - win? Do all of these transactions cost the team $1.00 for every .50 cents they pay?

No, Brees was getting the $5.2M this year anyway. The restructure lowered his 2015 base salary by $5.2M which was converted to a signing bonus which was then prorated over the remaining two years of his contract. The net effect is that the 2015 cap hit is lowered by $2.6M and the 2016 cap hit is increased by $2.6M.

Shuffling of numbers is what cost accounting is all about. It doesn't cost the team anything. Brees gets that money immediately instead of spread out over the 17 weeks of this regular season so he can start earning interest on it sooner. So, yes, it is a win/win.

RailBoss · 10-01-2015, 02:04 PM

Seems awful quiet don't see anything around the net on any trades. Usually Adam Schefter has the inside information before anyone else.

AsylumGuido · 10-01-2015, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Seems awful quiet don't see anything around the net on any trades. Usually Adam Schefter has the inside information before anyone else.

Glazer gets the Saints scoops usually. He is friends with Payton.

halloween 65 · 10-02-2015, 05:03 AM

If I could I would be that loser. I would fire the entire D staff and bring in competent coaches to be able to evaluate what type of players we need to fill the gapping holes and who to keep in this so-called D we have now and plan better for next season we would't look like idiots we look like now. Now is the perfect time if you ask me. They might improve a little but rest ashurd this D want be anything special and keeping these coaches longer,well we will continue to stink.

UK_WhoDat · 10-02-2015, 06:49 AM

Maybe the $100k is being invested to make $2.6m

10-01-2015, 06:04 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not if you want to have any hope for the remainder of the season. Only losers fire coaches midseason. I agree thats accurate 90% of the time. But if you have a competent assistant who can take over for a DC that has proven to be incompetent or has lost the respect of the players then I think you pull the trigger. Not saying Ryan is there yet, or that Dennis Allen is that guy who can take over, but its certainly not out of the realm of believe-ability.

10-01-2015, 10:27 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not if you want to have any hope for the remainder of the season. Only losers fire coaches midseason. I haven't seen a lot of people talking about in-season firings. It's generally understood that when people want someone fired, they mean after the season. This is absolutely the last year for a lot of these guys on staff if things don't turn around drastically. We went 7-9 last year, when some had us going to the superbowl. Now we're 0-3. What is the definition of loser, if we aren't it? That's not a personal shot at their character (though there have been a few of those issues with players who have since left the building) but it's an indisputable fact on the field. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-01-2015, 08:48 AM	#3
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,562	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? Spending 5.2 gets you 2.6? Is that a WIN - win? Do all of these transactions cost the team $1.00 for every .50 cents they pay?
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10-01-2015, 02:22 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? Originally Posted by vpheughan Spending 5.2 gets you 2.6? Is that a WIN - win? Do all of these transactions cost the team $1.00 for every .50 cents they pay? No, Brees was getting the $5.2M this year anyway. The restructure lowered his 2015 base salary by $5.2M which was converted to a signing bonus which was then prorated over the remaining two years of his contract. The net effect is that the 2015 cap hit is lowered by $2.6M and the 2016 cap hit is increased by $2.6M. Shuffling of numbers is what cost accounting is all about. It doesn't cost the team anything. Brees gets that money immediately instead of spread out over the 17 weeks of this regular season so he can start earning interest on it sooner. So, yes, it is a win/win. Danno, Crusader and captainshawn like this.

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RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? Seems awful quiet don't see anything around the net on any trades. Usually Adam Schefter has the inside information before anyone else.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? Originally Posted by RailBoss Seems awful quiet don't see anything around the net on any trades. Usually Adam Schefter has the inside information before anyone else. Glazer gets the Saints scoops usually. He is friends with Payton.

10-02-2015, 05:03 AM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Brees restructure/ Hicks trade? If I could I would be that loser. I would fire the entire D staff and bring in competent coaches to be able to evaluate what type of players we need to fill the gapping holes and who to keep in this so-called D we have now and plan better for next season we would't look like idiots we look like now. Now is the perfect time if you ask me. They might improve a little but rest ashurd this D want be anything special and keeping these coaches longer,well we will continue to stink.

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