Jimmy Graham

burningmetal · 10-02-2015, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tony180a

Excuse Me. I don't take it as a slight at all. Look at the moves the Saints have made in the past 4 years. Can anyone honestly say that we were trying to put together a serious Super Bowl push while Brees is still productive? Jimmy Graham is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. When a team trades the biggest offensive weapon on the team one year after resigning him for a center (albeit an all pro..BTW hows that working out for us?). Spin this any way you want.. WE SUCK!! Coach and GM are not getting bashed as hard as Graham who we traded???? The ugly honest truth is we are closer to putting brown paper bags on our heads and drowning our sorrows in hurricanes!

You don't think coach and GM are getting bashed as hard? You haven't been paying attention to anything if you believe that. Jimmy doesn't have to like the move. You don't make disparaging remarks publicly about your former team, if you're any kind of an adult.

The Saints found this guy and gave him a shot. Drew (when he was healthy and at his best) made Jimmy into what he is. How's he looking in Seattle, so far? Who gave him all that money? We traded him to fill other holes. Did our team do a good job of filling holes, and replacing the weapons we've lost? Not so far, and that has been the cause of much bashing.

But if the Saints had no regard for Jimmy they would never have paid him. No excuse for him to show such disrespect all while his Seahawks are off to a prolific 1-2 start.

Tony180a · 10-02-2015, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You don't think coach and GM are getting bashed as hard? You haven't been paying attention to anything if you believe that. Jimmy doesn't have to like the move. You don't make disparaging remarks publicly about your former team, if you're any kind of an adult.

The Saints found this guy and gave him a shot. Drew (when he was healthy and at his best) made Jimmy into what he is. How's he looking in Seattle, so far? Who gave him all that money? We traded him to fill other holes. Did our team do a good job of filling holes, and replacing the weapons we've lost? Not so far, and that has been the cause of much bashing.

But if the Saints had no regard for Jimmy they would never have paid him. No excuse for him to show such disrespect all while his Seahawks are off to a prolific 1-2 start.

I'm no fan of the Seahawks but I'd dare say they right their ship and sail deep into the playoffs. You sound as if it was Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to that contract. I would wager that Graham's former Saints team mates don't have an issue with what he posted or think it was disrespectful.

We are what our current record says we are.

burningmetal · 10-02-2015, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tony180a

I'm no fan of the Seahawks but I'd dare say they right their ship and sail deep into the playoffs. You sound as if it was Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to that contract. I would wager that Graham's former Saints team mates don't have an issue with what he posted or think it was disrespectful.

We are what our current record says we are.

I sound as if it were Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to the contract? In what way do I sound that way? I said if the Saints had no regard for him they would not have given him that contract. That wasn't clear enough? And if you want to talk about blame, why did Jimmy sign if he hated it here so much? It's because he didn't hate the Saints until, Apparently, now after he got traded.

I saw you tell someone that the trade could be viewed as gutless. How is that possible? There are a lot of gutless things I could point to, from players to coaches, but that trade isn't one of them. We went 7-9 WITH him last year. Was it his fault? No, though his amazing ability to disappear in big games didn't help. The point is that we needed more assets and trading Jimmy afforded that opportunity. That's not an easy decision to make. But you say gutless? You might want to rethink that statement.

We're not a very good team right now, but Jimmy being gone isn't why. Drew can't throw the ball more than 15 yards with any accuracy or zip, we have a crappy offensive line, a leaky defense and a dearth of talent at WR. Jimmy would be getting double covered and throwing up alligator arms in traffic.

And finally, if the Saints players don't find it disrespectful that a former player is talking crap about them, then they have no pride and can jolly well follow him out the door. Jimmy is asserting that we suck. Do we suck right now? Yeah. If you've read this board you would know that isn't exactly in question. But those guys didn't do anything to him, and he's talking garbage after he's gone. That's what's gutless.

Tony180a · 10-02-2015, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And finally, if the Saints players don't find it disrespectful that a former player is talking crap about them, then they have no pride and can jolly well follow him out the door. .

Careful what you ask for... using your logic we'd have a hard time filling a game day roster. Yes I said GUTLESS and what else can you call a trade that caught everyone including Brees by surprise. Drew Brees made Jimmy Graham can also be looked at as Jimmy Graham elevated Drew Brees. End of the day its a business. I take umbrage when fans talk **** about a players loyalty to management who traded him like a thief in the night. Kool aid drinkers only see it one way, when the guy that they cheered as he dunked after scoring touchdowns for us...was traded by the same mgmt. Now
he's disloyal????

burningmetal · 10-02-2015, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tony180a

Careful what you ask for... using your logic we'd have a hard time filling a game day roster. Yes I said GUTLESS and what else can you call a trade that caught everyone including Brees by surprise. Drew Brees made Jimmy Graham can also be looked at as Jimmy Graham elevated Drew Brees. End of the day its a business. I take umbrage when fans talk **** about a players loyalty to management who traded him like a thief in the night. Kool aid drinkers only see it one way, when the guy that they cheered as he dunked after scoring touchdowns for us...was traded by the same mgmt. Now
he's disloyal????

Really? You think we'd have a hard time filling out a roster? Let me ask you something... Do you like it when people you know and call your friends talk bad about you? What makes you think players WOULDN'T have a problem with that? It's like he's telling them "I'm glad I got out of that mess, because I'm too good for that". It's one thing to think that, but it's another to publicly out your old team. Unless they legitimately did something wrong to him.

But that's the problem. Your argument is beyond weak in what you consider disrespectful or gutless. You think because it caught people by surprise, it was gutless? Were they supposed to ask for his permission? You negotiate contracts, you DO NOT negotiate trade's with players. You negotiate with the prospective team you are dealing with.

The funniest part of what you said was when you suggested Jimmy might have elevated Drew Brees. Is that why we won the superbowl without Jimmy? Don't get me wrong, Jimmy had talent, but Drew was already established well before Jimmy even started playing football.

Lastly, it's not about loyalty. It's about having class. No one is asking Jimmy to wave pom poms around and cheer for us. But what he did was classless.

Tony180a · 10-02-2015, 11:42 PM

I don't mean to imply that Jimmy Graham was the cure all for us. I never said that Drew wasn't established, no argument there. However there is no argument that Graham complimented Brees (elevating his game).

Well nice of you to appoint yourself the Class Czar and dictate what is and what isn't..... But at the end of the day its just your opinion.

Are we a better team without Graham?

burningmetal · 10-03-2015, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Tony180a

I don't mean to imply that Jimmy Graham was the cure all for us. I never said that Drew wasn't established, no argument there. However there is no argument that Graham complimented Brees (elevating his game).

Well nice of you to appoint yourself the Class Czar and dictate what is and what isn't..... But at the end of the day its just your opinion.

Are we a better team without Graham?

You're clearly trolling at this point. Class Czar? You came in here to tell everybody they were overreacting, and I made my point as to why I stand where I stand. Did I tell you how to react or how you should feel about it? No, I certainly did not. I don't care if you agree or disagree with Graham, but if you want to argue with others about their opinions, then be ready to defend your point. That's kind of how it works, you know?

Are we better without Graham? That's hard to answer when our QB has been broken, we traded Stills and didn't bring in any receivers, and our defense (which already wasn't good) is missing key players. Are the Seahawks better with Graham? There isn't a conclusive answer to that either, but as long as we're going to make each other answer such a question after 3 weeks, I can tell you they sure don't look better.

But what does any of that have to do with Jimmy posting a classless message?

Oh well, that's just my opinion at the end of the day, right? I guess whatever you call your words is something above that of an opinion.

10-02-2015, 12:05 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by Tony180a Excuse Me. I don't take it as a slight at all. Look at the moves the Saints have made in the past 4 years. Can anyone honestly say that we were trying to put together a serious Super Bowl push while Brees is still productive? Jimmy Graham is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. When a team trades the biggest offensive weapon on the team one year after resigning him for a center (albeit an all pro..BTW hows that working out for us?). Spin this any way you want.. WE SUCK!! Coach and GM are not getting bashed as hard as Graham who we traded???? The ugly honest truth is we are closer to putting brown paper bags on our heads and drowning our sorrows in hurricanes! You don't think coach and GM are getting bashed as hard? You haven't been paying attention to anything if you believe that. Jimmy doesn't have to like the move. You don't make disparaging remarks publicly about your former team, if you're any kind of an adult. The Saints found this guy and gave him a shot. Drew (when he was healthy and at his best) made Jimmy into what he is. How's he looking in Seattle, so far? Who gave him all that money? We traded him to fill other holes. Did our team do a good job of filling holes, and replacing the weapons we've lost? Not so far, and that has been the cause of much bashing. But if the Saints had no regard for Jimmy they would never have paid him. No excuse for him to show such disrespect all while his Seahawks are off to a prolific 1-2 start. saintfan and brees84 like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-02-2015, 01:19 PM	#2
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	Re: Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by burningmetal You don't think coach and GM are getting bashed as hard? You haven't been paying attention to anything if you believe that. Jimmy doesn't have to like the move. You don't make disparaging remarks publicly about your former team, if you're any kind of an adult. The Saints found this guy and gave him a shot. Drew (when he was healthy and at his best) made Jimmy into what he is. How's he looking in Seattle, so far? Who gave him all that money? We traded him to fill other holes. Did our team do a good job of filling holes, and replacing the weapons we've lost? Not so far, and that has been the cause of much bashing. But if the Saints had no regard for Jimmy they would never have paid him. No excuse for him to show such disrespect all while his Seahawks are off to a prolific 1-2 start. I'm no fan of the Seahawks but I'd dare say they right their ship and sail deep into the playoffs. You sound as if it was Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to that contract. I would wager that Graham's former Saints team mates don't have an issue with what he posted or think it was disrespectful. We are what our current record says we are.
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21

10-02-2015, 08:37 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by Tony180a I'm no fan of the Seahawks but I'd dare say they right their ship and sail deep into the playoffs. You sound as if it was Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to that contract. I would wager that Graham's former Saints team mates don't have an issue with what he posted or think it was disrespectful. We are what our current record says we are. I sound as if it were Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to the contract? In what way do I sound that way? I said if the Saints had no regard for him they would not have given him that contract. That wasn't clear enough? And if you want to talk about blame, why did Jimmy sign if he hated it here so much? It's because he didn't hate the Saints until, Apparently, now after he got traded. I saw you tell someone that the trade could be viewed as gutless. How is that possible? There are a lot of gutless things I could point to, from players to coaches, but that trade isn't one of them. We went 7-9 WITH him last year. Was it his fault? No, though his amazing ability to disappear in big games didn't help. The point is that we needed more assets and trading Jimmy afforded that opportunity. That's not an easy decision to make. But you say gutless? You might want to rethink that statement. We're not a very good team right now, but Jimmy being gone isn't why. Drew can't throw the ball more than 15 yards with any accuracy or zip, we have a crappy offensive line, a leaky defense and a dearth of talent at WR. Jimmy would be getting double covered and throwing up alligator arms in traffic. And finally, if the Saints players don't find it disrespectful that a former player is talking crap about them, then they have no pride and can jolly well follow him out the door. Jimmy is asserting that we suck. Do we suck right now? Yeah. If you've read this board you would know that isn't exactly in question. But those guys didn't do anything to him, and he's talking garbage after he's gone. That's what's gutless.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-02-2015, 10:32 PM	#4
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	Re: Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by burningmetal And finally, if the Saints players don't find it disrespectful that a former player is talking crap about them, then they have no pride and can jolly well follow him out the door. . Careful what you ask for... using your logic we'd have a hard time filling a game day roster. Yes I said GUTLESS and what else can you call a trade that caught everyone including Brees by surprise. Drew Brees made Jimmy Graham can also be looked at as Jimmy Graham elevated Drew Brees. End of the day its a business. I take umbrage when fans talk **** about a players loyalty to management who traded him like a thief in the night. Kool aid drinkers only see it one way, when the guy that they cheered as he dunked after scoring touchdowns for us...was traded by the same mgmt. Now he's disloyal????
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21

10-02-2015, 10:54 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by Tony180a Careful what you ask for... using your logic we'd have a hard time filling a game day roster. Yes I said GUTLESS and what else can you call a trade that caught everyone including Brees by surprise. Drew Brees made Jimmy Graham can also be looked at as Jimmy Graham elevated Drew Brees. End of the day its a business. I take umbrage when fans talk **** about a players loyalty to management who traded him like a thief in the night. Kool aid drinkers only see it one way, when the guy that they cheered as he dunked after scoring touchdowns for us...was traded by the same mgmt. Now he's disloyal???? Really? You think we'd have a hard time filling out a roster? Let me ask you something... Do you like it when people you know and call your friends talk bad about you? What makes you think players WOULDN'T have a problem with that? It's like he's telling them "I'm glad I got out of that mess, because I'm too good for that". It's one thing to think that, but it's another to publicly out your old team. Unless they legitimately did something wrong to him. But that's the problem. Your argument is beyond weak in what you consider disrespectful or gutless. You think because it caught people by surprise, it was gutless? Were they supposed to ask for his permission? You negotiate contracts, you DO NOT negotiate trade's with players. You negotiate with the prospective team you are dealing with. The funniest part of what you said was when you suggested Jimmy might have elevated Drew Brees. Is that why we won the superbowl without Jimmy? Don't get me wrong, Jimmy had talent, but Drew was already established well before Jimmy even started playing football. Lastly, it's not about loyalty. It's about having class. No one is asking Jimmy to wave pom poms around and cheer for us. But what he did was classless.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-02-2015, 11:42 PM	#6
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	Re: Jimmy Graham I don't mean to imply that Jimmy Graham was the cure all for us. I never said that Drew wasn't established, no argument there. However there is no argument that Graham complimented Brees (elevating his game). Well nice of you to appoint yourself the Class Czar and dictate what is and what isn't..... But at the end of the day its just your opinion. Are we a better team without Graham?
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21

10-03-2015, 06:25 AM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by Tony180a I don't mean to imply that Jimmy Graham was the cure all for us. I never said that Drew wasn't established, no argument there. However there is no argument that Graham complimented Brees (elevating his game). Well nice of you to appoint yourself the Class Czar and dictate what is and what isn't..... But at the end of the day its just your opinion. Are we a better team without Graham? You're clearly trolling at this point. Class Czar? You came in here to tell everybody they were overreacting, and I made my point as to why I stand where I stand. Did I tell you how to react or how you should feel about it? No, I certainly did not. I don't care if you agree or disagree with Graham, but if you want to argue with others about their opinions, then be ready to defend your point. That's kind of how it works, you know? Are we better without Graham? That's hard to answer when our QB has been broken, we traded Stills and didn't bring in any receivers, and our defense (which already wasn't good) is missing key players. Are the Seahawks better with Graham? There isn't a conclusive answer to that either, but as long as we're going to make each other answer such a question after 3 weeks, I can tell you they sure don't look better. But what does any of that have to do with Jimmy posting a classless message? Oh well, that's just my opinion at the end of the day, right? I guess whatever you call your words is something above that of an opinion.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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