Brandon Browner the Strong Safety?

burningmetal · 10-02-2015, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Lewis described Breaux as playing at a "lockdown level."

"It doesn't really surprised me," Lewis said. "That's a guy I knew my whole life. I already knew what he's been working with. ... He's a lockdown corner. You watch him on tape. He blankets guys. He knows what his job is. That's what he do."

As for Swann, he's played consistently well during every game this season. Amazing to say for a fifth-round pick in his rookie season. He's hopped around from cornerback and safety during the first three weeks.

"Very special guy with a bright future," Lewis said. "A guy who can come in as a rookie, and they've thrown so much at him. Three different positions: corner, nickel and safety. He's definitely going to be a star in this league."
Believe it or not, some Saints have played well in 2015: Larry Holder | NOLA.com

Considering that Breaux is rarely tested and the only completion he allowed (that I can remember) was on a busted play, I would say he is doing a great job. Swann, have been playing lights out no matter where he lined up every pass in his direction been contested.

With all due respect to Lewis, I don't expect him to say anything differently. Teammates don't usually say bad things about each other.

Breaux got beat all game long against Arizona, and got flagged for holding or interference as a result of him being out of position. Tampa Bay sucks, so it's not like it should be hard to defend them, especially when they didn't even have Mike Evans. Yet he got burned for a deep bomb in that one. And against Carolina, again, no weapons except for Olson, but we couldn't cover him. Pretty much everything was thrown in the middle of the field, because it was wide open. I can't say how well Breaux did or did not play in that game, because there was no need to throw downfield.

I don't see him making plays, and that goes for the rest of the guys. I noted the improvement from the Arizona game, but when I hear things like "phenomenal play" and "lockdown level" that is pure hyperbole, at this point.

I agree that Swann has played well, and I said that, but he hasn't been on the field enough to know how he'd do as a starter. I think he's earned the playing time to see what he CAN do, especially over Browner. I'm just not ready to say he's some star until I see him playing a larger role.

Papa Voodoo · 10-02-2015, 04:00 PM

Put him at OLB. Dude is huge and nasty.

nola_swammi · 10-03-2015, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

With all due respect to Lewis, I don't expect him to say anything differently. Teammates don't usually say bad things about each other.

Breaux got beat all game long against Arizona, and got flagged for holding or interference as a result of him being out of position. Tampa Bay sucks, so it's not like it should be hard to defend them, especially when they didn't even have Mike Evans. Yet he got burned for a deep bomb in that one. And against Carolina, again, no weapons except for Olson, but we couldn't cover him. Pretty much everything was thrown in the middle of the field, because it was wide open. I can't say how well Breaux did or did not play in that game, because there was no need to throw downfield.

I don't see him making plays, and that goes for the rest of the guys. I noted the improvement from the Arizona game, but when I hear things like "phenomenal play" and "lockdown level" that is pure hyperbole, at this point.

I agree that Swann has played well, and I said that, but he hasn't been on the field enough to know how he'd do as a starter. I think he's earned the playing time to see what he CAN do, especially over Browner. I'm just not ready to say he's some star until I see him playing a larger role.

He had some hiccups Week 1 against the Arizona Cardinals, a game in which he was flagged four times. The reason for the flags, Breaux explained, was the result of resting on the instincts he developed in the Canadian Football League. He quickly fixed those errors and has been almost unbeatable since.

Since that game, Breaux has given up one reception, a 54 yarder, after he lost the ball in the lights and did not receive much assistance from the safety. He’s otherwise largely erased the men he’s covering on every other snap.

Breaux was targeted two other times against Tampa. The first was a go route to wide receiver Mike Evans, but Breaux pinned him to the sideline and forced him out of bounds before he could complete the catch. The second target fell incomplete after Breaux jammed Evans on a crossing route, which forced an incompletion.

The next week against Carolina, Breaux was only targeted once on a go route. He pinned Ted Ginn, who is one of the faster receivers in the NFL, to the sideline and forced an incompletion.

Breaux’s ability to pin receivers to the line, which helps him shrink the field, has been one of his greatest strengths and it’s always on his mind to do so as soon as he turns up the field.
Why Saints should consider keeping Delvin Breaux at starting cornerback when Keenan Lewis returns | Saints | The New Orleans Advocate — New Orleans, Louisiana

spkb25 · 10-03-2015, 08:59 AM

my guess is that Swann may end up being a top cb in this league. This dudes reactions and skils are insane, to me anyway. I just havent seen us with a rookie this good at that position in a long time. i have been on this kid for a minute. How crazy is it we mved back to the 5th for him. Great great move

dizzle88 · 10-03-2015, 09:22 AM

Swann reminds me a little of how Tracy Porter looked in his second season with us, except Swann is much more physical.

Plus Tracy Porter had arguably the best safety of all time behind him, whereas Swann has Vaccaro or Phillips.

The Dude · 10-03-2015, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Ok, here we go...

Nick Underhill was pointing out earlier on Twitter how last season the Patriots would put Browner on the TE and if the TE didn't run a route then Browner would just drop back into zone coverage. With Keenan Lewis coming back this leads me to a few thoughts:

1) Delvin Breaux is rapidly ascending and there's no way his phenomenal play can be ignored for long. He is truly a starter who should be covering the top WR's.

2) Damian Swann is right there in the mix with Breaux. He deserves to be our nickel CB.

3) Kenny Vacarro sucks covering TE's.

In my opinion, Browner is our 4th best CB just in terms of all around ability. If we moved Browner to strong safety he may be an upgrade in coverage over Vacarro and that would make KV trade bait.

I wouldn't make any decisions regarding defensive backs until we can get some sort of pass rush. The talent is there, it's by far our most talented position group when healthy. You can have a backfield full of Patrick Petersons and if the defensive line gives the QB all day to throw they are going to get burned every time.
Kenny and Browner are good players and will excell on any defense that has a pass rush.

neugey · 10-05-2015, 09:48 AM

You know how in basketball you have a guy on the end of the bench and he usually is only put in the game for a few minutes to be physical and commit fouls? Browner would be perfect in that role, except it's the wrong sport!

Supertek · 10-05-2015, 12:45 PM

Breaux is doing fairly well but can someone teach him to turn his head and look for the ball?

halloween 65 · 10-05-2015, 01:07 PM

Breaux reminded me of clubber lang last night. He was all over his guy. He could have been called all game long, same with Browner. They were lucky to get called like they did.

Mardigras9 · 10-05-2015, 01:12 PM

All the DB's have issues to work out. If they play like that again, we will lose strictly based on gift penalties. Lewis is not ready for return obviously. I saw some stat where it seemed like half of Dallas's first downs (at least in the first half) were results of penalties on 3rd down? That will not get it done against a healthy team.

10-02-2015, 09:07 AM	#21
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Lewis described Breaux as playing at a "lockdown level." "It doesn't really surprised me," Lewis said. "That's a guy I knew my whole life. I already knew what he's been working with. ... He's a lockdown corner. You watch him on tape. He blankets guys. He knows what his job is. That's what he do." As for Swann, he's played consistently well during every game this season. Amazing to say for a fifth-round pick in his rookie season. He's hopped around from cornerback and safety during the first three weeks. "Very special guy with a bright future," Lewis said. "A guy who can come in as a rookie, and they've thrown so much at him. Three different positions: corner, nickel and safety. He's definitely going to be a star in this league." Believe it or not, some Saints have played well in 2015: Larry Holder \| NOLA.com Considering that Breaux is rarely tested and the only completion he allowed (that I can remember) was on a busted play, I would say he is doing a great job. Swann, have been playing lights out no matter where he lined up every pass in his direction been contested. With all due respect to Lewis, I don't expect him to say anything differently. Teammates don't usually say bad things about each other. Breaux got beat all game long against Arizona, and got flagged for holding or interference as a result of him being out of position. Tampa Bay sucks, so it's not like it should be hard to defend them, especially when they didn't even have Mike Evans. Yet he got burned for a deep bomb in that one. And against Carolina, again, no weapons except for Olson, but we couldn't cover him. Pretty much everything was thrown in the middle of the field, because it was wide open. I can't say how well Breaux did or did not play in that game, because there was no need to throw downfield. I don't see him making plays, and that goes for the rest of the guys. I noted the improvement from the Arizona game, but when I hear things like "phenomenal play" and "lockdown level" that is pure hyperbole, at this point. I agree that Swann has played well, and I said that, but he hasn't been on the field enough to know how he'd do as a starter. I think he's earned the playing time to see what he CAN do, especially over Browner. I'm just not ready to say he's some star until I see him playing a larger role. K Major and brees84 like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-02-2015, 04:00 PM	#22
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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Originally Posted by burningmetal With all due respect to Lewis, I don't expect him to say anything differently. Teammates don't usually say bad things about each other. Breaux got beat all game long against Arizona, and got flagged for holding or interference as a result of him being out of position. Tampa Bay sucks, so it's not like it should be hard to defend them, especially when they didn't even have Mike Evans. Yet he got burned for a deep bomb in that one. And against Carolina, again, no weapons except for Olson, but we couldn't cover him. Pretty much everything was thrown in the middle of the field, because it was wide open. I can't say how well Breaux did or did not play in that game, because there was no need to throw downfield. I don't see him making plays, and that goes for the rest of the guys. I noted the improvement from the Arizona game, but when I hear things like "phenomenal play" and "lockdown level" that is pure hyperbole, at this point. I agree that Swann has played well, and I said that, but he hasn't been on the field enough to know how he'd do as a starter. I think he's earned the playing time to see what he CAN do, especially over Browner. I'm just not ready to say he's some star until I see him playing a larger role. He had some hiccups Week 1 against the Arizona Cardinals, a game in which he was flagged four times. The reason for the flags, Breaux explained, was the result of resting on the instincts he developed in the Canadian Football League. He quickly fixed those errors and has been almost unbeatable since. Since that game, Breaux has given up one reception, a 54 yarder, after he lost the ball in the lights and did not receive much assistance from the safety. He’s otherwise largely erased the men he’s covering on every other snap. Breaux was targeted two other times against Tampa. The first was a go route to wide receiver Mike Evans, but Breaux pinned him to the sideline and forced him out of bounds before he could complete the catch. The second target fell incomplete after Breaux jammed Evans on a crossing route, which forced an incompletion. The next week against Carolina, Breaux was only targeted once on a go route. He pinned Ted Ginn, who is one of the faster receivers in the NFL, to the sideline and forced an incompletion. Breaux’s ability to pin receivers to the line, which helps him shrink the field, has been one of his greatest strengths and it’s always on his mind to do so as soon as he turns up the field. Why Saints should consider keeping Delvin Breaux at starting cornerback when Keenan Lewis returns \| Saints \| The New Orleans Advocate — New Orleans, Louisiana dizzle88 and rezburna like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? my guess is that Swann may end up being a top cb in this league. This dudes reactions and skils are insane, to me anyway. I just havent seen us with a rookie this good at that position in a long time. i have been on this kid for a minute. How crazy is it we mved back to the 5th for him. Great great move dizzle88 likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Swann reminds me a little of how Tracy Porter looked in his second season with us, except Swann is much more physical. Plus Tracy Porter had arguably the best safety of all time behind him, whereas Swann has Vaccaro or Phillips. spkb25 and nola_swammi like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Ok, here we go... Nick Underhill was pointing out earlier on Twitter how last season the Patriots would put Browner on the TE and if the TE didn't run a route then Browner would just drop back into zone coverage. With Keenan Lewis coming back this leads me to a few thoughts: 1) Delvin Breaux is rapidly ascending and there's no way his phenomenal play can be ignored for long. He is truly a starter who should be covering the top WR's. 2) Damian Swann is right there in the mix with Breaux. He deserves to be our nickel CB. 3) Kenny Vacarro sucks covering TE's. In my opinion, Browner is our 4th best CB just in terms of all around ability. If we moved Browner to strong safety he may be an upgrade in coverage over Vacarro and that would make KV trade bait. I wouldn't make any decisions regarding defensive backs until we can get some sort of pass rush. The talent is there, it's by far our most talented position group when healthy. You can have a backfield full of Patrick Petersons and if the defensive line gives the QB all day to throw they are going to get burned every time. Kenny and Browner are good players and will excell on any defense that has a pass rush.
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