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That conversation between Rob and Sean on the sidelines was hilarious. They acted all nice but in reality they hate each other's guts. lol

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I haven't watch a game since Arizona...
Just sounds horrible. Ok if they let RR go do they let Dennis Allen take over?
If he does can we start asking for Vitt to be fired aswell?

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it is fair to say it was a classic even by saints standards

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If Brees isn't fully healed I agree let McCown take over. The board thought Peat would not be ready and he played well today until things unraveled.

There is something lacking in Brees. I don't know what it is, but he's lost something. Maybe he needs to get a hair transplant and get a nice haircut to be more attractive looking since Matt Ryan got that lame hipster haircut now. I think he needs a boost of confidence. And it starts from within the outside. Sexy wins today.

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Browner could be the worse corner we ever signed well... I forgot about Jason David haha

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I thought we should have cleaned house this past off season... a year to late but hey its bound to happen.

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Don't hate on Rob Ryan - he wasn't the problem...

In fact, it's the same deal with Mark Ingram...

Square Peg, Round Hole...

You bring in Ryan to finally install a 3-4 base defense...

Instead, you elect to extend Cam Jordan and make him the centerpiece of a 4-3 defense when you've drafted, acquired 3-4 personnel?!?

And then you create a two-headed monster bringing in a co-defensive coordinator in Allen to boot?!?

Allen is a really excellent Secondary Coach, no more...

And even if you get rid of Ryan and bring in a quality DC, are you going to allow that guy to bring in upgrades at DL coach and LB coach?

If you're not going to allow the new DC to set up,manage his own scheme, you're spinning your wheels...

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bahahahahaha, first of all, drew got hurt in the tampa game. in the very first quarter, that was the only game he was throwing ducks. he was getting hit every frigan other play against tampa. then he sat for the panties game and then there was one other game against dallas. the line wasnt great in that game either. they have been terrible all year. the best game they had was the panties and dallas games, and they werent great in the cowboys game. you have been on your stupid agenda for weeks now. what gets old is your pathetic agenda. this was a post about rr, how the **** do you find a way to bring drew into it? because you have an agenda.

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i wanted wade or romeo, damn shame we didnt get wade...

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I think SP got RR because he wanted to one up Jerry.

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We were actually better last year then we are this year. At least we scored more points.

I have run out of words to describe this incompetent team.

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I think we could have done better than RR, he's not horrible but I do think we could have found someone with more stripes on their shoulder. The offense is bad, really bad. Colston needs to sit, he's killing the offense. I don't know what happened to him but he can no longer catch footballs with any consistency. The only thing consistent now is that he he drops balls. One again today, right on the money, nope drop. And Cooks, for a 1st round he looks lost. Can't get open most of the time, more often than not short of the marker. We have 2 WR's that have little to no impact on the game.

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its time we need to put ingram on the trade block, lots of running backs went down today, its a way to get a W.R. or a blocking tackle or even a nfl caliber T.E, please . I know I know its a long season and we need healthy backs, well throw that out the freakin window, we have K. ROB. that s a little bomb waiting to go off all he needs is snaps and more snaps he can pound a defense better than ingram, he needs a hole to gain yards KRob makes people pay. its just my opinion gents, damn we need serious regroup. and start over. payton lost his girl friend looks like, rob ryan belly shifted right and all his defense left.

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This is nothing new at all. Our D has suffered for years. Johnson, Vitt, Allen, any DC that has to be stuck with these guys will get the same results. It's like ground hog day for far to many years but until Payton gets tired of these bums or fired thats what we get, an underachieving D that has good enough talent on it to be in the mid teens. I've said it for a long time.

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Are you basing that Payton losing hi gf on something AlaskaSaint posted? I think he was joking.

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You need to grow the hell up, man. You lack basic perspective on anything I'm talking about to hold an argument, and then you act like a freaking punk on top of it.

I have no agenda. I have a point with facts to back it up. I'm not the only one who can see that Drew has been throwing ducks all year. The injury only made it worse. He was coming up short on passes against Arizona, and it he was doing a lot of that last year aswell.

How did I get on the topic of Drew? If you had followed any of the conversation, you would have known why. You started a thread about defense on a day when EVERYBODY sucked, and somebody wanted to complain about that and say that he was tired of people always blaming the defense. I defended YOUR POINT by saying there is no way you can make any excuses for this defense after that performance, and also that no one ever said the offense was blameless.

Which brought me to my points, where I called out Drew, the offensive line, and the fact that we only have two receivers who are worth anything. Fair enough, right? No, not for you apparently.

The only thing I agree with you (partially) on is that the O-line hasn't played well in any game. Their biggest problem is they can't run block at all. Strief's side is the one that can't pass block. But that's the point... McCown hadn't started a game in years, had to play behind a suspect O-line just like Drew, yet he made all the throws except for his very last pass. He got the ball out quick, which is one way that you mask line problems, and he stepped up in the pocket and bought time when things broke down. If he can do that, and Drew can't do any better then complete 50% of his passes when he isn't throwing 2 yard passes, then he is clearly a struggling QB.

I've been critical of anyone who has warranted criticism. I don't care if that's popular with you or anyone else. But I know for a fact I'm not in the minority.

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Take the emotions out of it.

You can't ask RR to do any better than what he's doing with 6 rookies starting on defense.

Today we saw a 4th down stop midfield, and 2 INTs from the defense, on freaking consecutive defensive series. Points scored after those 3 series? 0.

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Sure they made those plays early on, and it was exciting considering we hadn't intercepted a pass all year, but it didn't change the fact that they were getting gashed. The fact that they went on to give up 39 points, kind of rendered the couple nice plays meaningless.

I thought Breaux played a lot better, and when Lewis was in there he looked alright. The problem is we give up almost everything right down the middle of the field. Rookies or no rookies, it shouldn't look that easy against us. Rob has a certain reputation that preceded these struggles the last two years. I can't give him a pass.

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^Lewis is still being limited?

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While I don't think it's RR's fault that the D isn't delivering... I don't see any harm in shaking things up by replacing him with somebody else outside of the organization.

I'd love to see them replace some of the positional coaches as well, and whoever would come in should have complete freedom to choose his assistants.


If anything it would serve as getting a jump start on next year and give more time to implement a new defensive scheme while the offense struggles on the other side of the ball anyways.

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I agree fully. We have Byrd and a 24 year old Vaccaro ho is super talentend but not used right. Breux is raw but getting there. Lewis back helps.
I see improvement from the defence every week but its damn hard to play D when the offence turns the ball over three times giving the Eagles O good field position. It doesn't help when the newly signed punter shanks the ball giving the Eagles great field position.

What a lot of people here seems to forget is that football is a team game. Its never only the offence, defence or the special teams that is the problem. If one unit plays poorly it will have an impact on the others.

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Yes, it's a team game. 519 yards doesn't lie. The defense was bad from the start, as was the offense. I don't know how this could be considered an improving unit in anyone's eyes.

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I look at all the players individually, thats where there is improvement. I'm just waiting for it all to click.

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So I started a post about the d on a day everyone sucked and you needed to complain because I didn't recognize everyone sucked? Let's see my original post

Yep, very first three words of my post "Whole team sucks" so you needed to make sure to let me know the whole team sucks by talking about Drew in a thread about RR because my thread didn't recognize the whole team sucked? Uh, yeahhhhhhhh, it is called your agenda.

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On to the Atlanta game !

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Wow... Do I really have to explain it again? You completely missed it, man.

I said somebody wanted to complain about blaming the defense all the time. I responded to THAT POSTER and got on the topic of Drew and the offense. I know precisely what you said in the original post, and I defended your point, as well as my own point of view on the subject.

Taking my words that are clearly written above and turning them around completely? Now that is an agenda.

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No. The offense scoring 0 points after those plays, is what rendered the "couple nice plays" meaningless.

The defense was on the field for way too long. When they made plays, the offense went 3 and out.

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Yep, defense is on the field way too long and part of that is on the play calling on offense. I'm tired of watching us gain 4 yards on first down 3 on second and then instead of picking up the 3-4 yards needed to move the chains we try a 40 yard bomb and it's 3 and out and the defense is right back out on the field.
We need to have those 5-7 minute drives and give the defense a breathier.

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Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. They marched right down the field on us, and we were fortunate enough to get a couple turnovers. I'll give the individuals who made the interceptions (Breaux and Browner) credit for making the play when they were given the opportunity, but as a whole, the defense was bad all day.

All that said, the offense was just as bad. There's really nothing positive to report from this game. There was just no life, beyond a couple individual performances. There is such a thing as winning a low scoring game. If we go 3 and out, our defense has to force 3 and out's. That's how defenses hang in when their offense struggles. But this team simply isn't good enough in any phase to overcome itself.

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What I'm seeing on defense is several great plays by numerous players, yet the sum of all the parts is actually worse than the whole. To me that points to coaching.

Yes we have a few holes, but not nearly enough to suck this bad.

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Agreed. Though I probably wouldn't define a whole lot of plays as being great, I still think there should be enough talent to at least compete. We're getting destroyed on crossing routes and tight ends just sitting in the middle of the field. You'd think we would have figured out some type of personnel change to match up, schematically, with what teams are doing to us.

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The Defense is clearly not buying into RR and what he is selling. What's different this season is the Offense can't put up the big points to overcome it.

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Of course it didn't matter. It didn't matter because the offense scored a grand total of 3 points afterwards on countless 3 and outs, not to mention, turning the ball over 3 times.

And no, I am not going to count that meaningless 0-seconds left TD, because had it mattered, I am sure the Eagles D would've stopped it.

But ***** and moan all you want about the defense. All I know is, scoring 10 points a game in go-time and turning the ball over 3 times is not going to win a lot of games.

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I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took.

When we moved it early, our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls. When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them. If we had moved the ball, our defense wouldn't have been on the field as much, I get that. That's obvious. But if the Saints forced a few 3 and out's, that also would prevent them from being on the field all day.

It goes both ways, and that's just the way it is. There's a lot of butthurt in here about people calling out the defense. We're calling out the offense, too. I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards. You can blame the players or you can blame the coaches, but either way it's unacceptable. I have a guy pissed at me in this same thread over calling out Drew Brees, even though I didn't single him out. Seems everybody has to have a scapegoat, and there can't be a consensus that the whole team is just terrible right now.

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This defense is worse than the offense...our o line is terrible but it's no excuse for this defense...if you told me 4 years ago that we can have Brandon Browner, Keenan Lewis and Jarius Byrd all on the field at the same time I'd be calling top 5 defense...it's a reason Dallas let him go and we were just in denial

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You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look?

IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't.

When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work.

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Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

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BRAVO!!!!!! I've been saying that as well...

No one is holding the defense blameless but we knew they would suck...now that the offense is just as bad the defense is still why we loss. We have a problem...an offense that has gone from 30 pts/game to 10pts/game...i said this in another thread but Payton acts like this is Madden...instead of getting players that will work with the scheme Ryan wants to play...