Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

I never thought RR was a good hire to start with based on his previous record and experience. And he did surprisingly well but couldn't maintain his edge the following seasons.

We were moving into a 3-4 and now we're playing a 4-3......how can anyone expect to succeed as a DC with a head coach who just has to meddle with something at all times? Loomis has let Payton make too many questionable decisions and needs to tighten control over the franchise.

The long term plan has been ineffective the last few years. We need a new game plan that will change our course. Too many misses on free agents and terrible drafting hasn't helped but our approach needs a new beginning.

Oh yes, fire the D-line coach.......and the O-line coach too while we're at it. :bng:

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

I haven't been watching the games but the best fix fo a defense is a good running game.

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I've said this all year. DA hasn't helped one bit and is as guilty as RR for the results we're seeing.

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The Scientific Method would say to change only one variable and hold all the others constant to see what (if anything) then improves. Limit big change to only one on each side of the ball. But, we appear to have so many possibilities, it is tempting to make whole scale changes.

The good news is we revamped our personnel who draft.

We have starters who should no longer be starting: WR Colston, ROT Streif, ROG Evan, LB Hawthorne. Maybe NT Jenkins. Maybe our punter.

We've starters who should never have been our best to start if we knew how to draft: Lelito, half our LB corps, half our DL, half our secondary.

We have starters who should have their roles reduced: RB Ingram, CB Browner, our Safeties. Maybe NT Jenkins. Whoever is OLB opposite Kikaha.

We need new schemes or new personnel to stop the passes to the TE and the runs up the middle. And a possession WR to play with Cooks and Snead.

We need to sit Brees until he is healed or whatever else is wrong until he can deal with the OL we do have. He's holding the ball too long and making decisions/throws/ducks that should be or are picked off.

We have coaches who still need to go: Vitt and other position coaches for a while now. Maybe RR.

We have coaches who should have their roles reduced. SP (play-calling). Maybe RR.

We should explore any trade opportunities...players (Ingram, maybe Jordan) and coaches. Well, Coach. Don't like the risk on that one.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

Was our defense ranked in the top 5 in 09? Look this is something I hated to do. But that defense around Peyton.........half of it was good before he even got there. Brady? Yeah pats were a good run defense for years, and they only needed to work on the secondary. Here's the thing, you can't expect a defense to stay good when you let go so many contributors. I'm sorry but that's just how it is.

This sucks to say but are you willing to risk Drew Brees health to be a top five defense in two years? I'm not.

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What upper brass?

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Is it RR or the fact that rookies had no one to learn from?

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Our team sucks. Oh well. On to the Failclowns.

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Dude, I don't think you understand the point at all. Between you and the other guy arguing with me in here, neither of you seem to get that I'm not excusing either side of the ball. You don't win games when you play like the Saints did yesterday, period. That's why the score was 39-17 and could have been worse. They stink. When did I tell you that the offense did enough to win?

I gave my opinion on both sides of the ball in this thread. And when it comes to the defense, I really don't care about how much time they're on the field when they show ZERO resistance.

You keep bringing up how many points we scored. You're argument is that the defense was on the field too much. It doesn't matter that the opening drive was a field goal instead of a touchdown. The point was simple: You had the whole half plus a long drive to open the second half to allow the defense to rest, and they still got torched right off the bat. In the first quarter, before the defense had any excuse of being tired, they were giving up huge yards. It was fortunate that we got the turnovers. And yes, those WERE bad throws. Especially the first one, which was woefully late on an out route. That bailed them out.

The fact that they got the interceptions doesn't take away from the fact that they were getting pushed around the whole way down the field. There are better teams than the Eagles who won't make those mistakes.

And I'll say it one more time... If they can get 3 and out's, why can't the Saints? If you're not getting abused, you're not going to be on the field long enough to get overly tired. How do you think some games end in scores like 7-3? Neither team is moving the ball, but both defenses manage to keep playing well given that, well, you know, it's 7-3.

As far as how young the defense is, that isn't an excuse for Rob considering they were bad last year as well. He doesn't have a track record for cultivating talent. He has so-so years, and bunch of not so good years as you look through his entire resume'. You wanna fire Payton? Ok, I've made the point he should be under fire, many times before. I don't disagree with you on his own responsibility. You know what some say to that? "Sean won a super bowl, Rob didn't". It doesn't matter who you talk to in here, someone always has an excuse for somebody. You know what I say? They are ALL blowing their jobs right now.

There was no offense or defense in this game. The score could have been better if the offense had played better, but how much better? Neither unit played well. It didn't end better, it ended horribly. There's nothing else to say.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

You can be in denial all you want but history is fact. And the fact is, everywhere RR has been, he has failed after 1 good season. Since you are so smart, explain that.

Do you think players don't know how to play football unless they have someone, other than players, to learn from? Wtf is the point of coaching then?

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Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

We have to draft or sign good free agent MLB. Stephone Anthony needs help. If he keeps playing with this below average MLBs his career will be nothing but mediocre as a Saint. "One man trying to correct other people mistakes."

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

Yeah, I am reviving it!

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It doesn't even matter if Allen is better or not. At least it would be something different.

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I don't even frigan care. Just fire his fat ass

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Blame should be laid on both sides of the ball. Did you see how many times they sacked our quarterback?!?!

I agree with the house cleaning on D. But, this team exposed us on both sides of the ball. Embarrassing.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

titans have a good defense and we still put up close to 500 yards of offense. BS, that was the worst offense in the league and they were world beaters. 49 points last week, 34 this week.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

I do think its sort of retarded how we keep switching between 3-4 and 4-3, which is why I don't think Allen is a permanent solution. That being said, either Rob Ryan is the problem... or we aren't allowing him to do what he wants. Both scenarios make me think what is the point of him being here.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

that's an even better point lmao

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Whatever the problem is, we need a complete washout of the defensive coaching and start fresh. We have too much talent to suck this bad except for Browner. Im seriously at the point where if I see him on the feild at the begining of the game, im turning it off. How the fu*k is he still starting, and besides that lone interception, can anyone tell me what else has he done for this team? FU*K Sean for allowing this team to get to this point, and F*CK Sean for hiring Rob Ryan back a third year. I hated the idea of having him back this year before the season even started. I know our offense has its problems, but Im so fu*king tired of have a ****ty D year after year after year. Our players look so soft and undisciplined...it annoys the sh*t out of me. Denvers D is what a defense should look like!Thats some WELL COACHED group of guys.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

yeah i wanted wade or romeo...wade is good d coord every place he goes

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

Our head coach is a megalomaniac who will never allow a DC to completely run the defense. At the first sign of struggle Payton will start meddling.

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lmmfao, now it is SP. First it was Dennis Allen now it is sp, BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think you're cuckold for RR

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

Logic escapes you my good man. Must be nice to be so simple.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

Occam's Razor

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR
 

First Spagnola, now Ryan, I truly believe the tumor is far more rooted than any of us see. We may need to look a little deeper......