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Again, not disputing that the offense was bad. I can make A FEW exceptions for the defense on that merit, but not enough to say that they were anything short of awful. We scored a touchdown early to go up 7 nothing. Didn't matter. They marched right down the field on us, and we were fortunate enough to get a couple turnovers. I'll give the individuals who made the interceptions (Breaux and Browner) credit for making the play when they were given the opportunity, but as a whole, the defense was bad all day.

All that said, the offense was just as bad. There's really nothing positive to report from this game. There was just no life, beyond a couple individual performances. There is such a thing as winning a low scoring game. If we go 3 and out, our defense has to force 3 and out's. That's how defenses hang in when their offense struggles. But this team simply isn't good enough in any phase to overcome itself.

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What I'm seeing on defense is several great plays by numerous players, yet the sum of all the parts is actually worse than the whole. To me that points to coaching.

Yes we have a few holes, but not nearly enough to suck this bad.

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Agreed. Though I probably wouldn't define a whole lot of plays as being great, I still think there should be enough talent to at least compete. We're getting destroyed on crossing routes and tight ends just sitting in the middle of the field. You'd think we would have figured out some type of personnel change to match up, schematically, with what teams are doing to us.

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The Defense is clearly not buying into RR and what he is selling. What's different this season is the Offense can't put up the big points to overcome it.

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Of course it didn't matter. It didn't matter because the offense scored a grand total of 3 points afterwards on countless 3 and outs, not to mention, turning the ball over 3 times.

And no, I am not going to count that meaningless 0-seconds left TD, because had it mattered, I am sure the Eagles D would've stopped it.

But ***** and moan all you want about the defense. All I know is, scoring 10 points a game in go-time and turning the ball over 3 times is not going to win a lot of games.

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I'm not *****ing and moaning. I'm giving a reasonable assessment of the ass kicking my team just took.

When we moved it early, our defense had no resistance other than touchdown saving interceptions on horribly thrown balls. When we had an entire half to rest and then got the ball first, drove down the field and kicked the game tying field goal, our defense came back out and didn't come close to stopping them. If we had moved the ball, our defense wouldn't have been on the field as much, I get that. That's obvious. But if the Saints forced a few 3 and out's, that also would prevent them from being on the field all day.

It goes both ways, and that's just the way it is. There's a lot of butthurt in here about people calling out the defense. We're calling out the offense, too. I'm sorry, but there aren't enough excuses in the world to make up for 519 yards. You can blame the players or you can blame the coaches, but either way it's unacceptable. I have a guy pissed at me in this same thread over calling out Drew Brees, even though I didn't single him out. Seems everybody has to have a scapegoat, and there can't be a consensus that the whole team is just terrible right now.

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This defense is worse than the offense...our o line is terrible but it's no excuse for this defense...if you told me 4 years ago that we can have Brandon Browner, Keenan Lewis and Jarius Byrd all on the field at the same time I'd be calling top 5 defense...it's a reason Dallas let him go and we were just in denial

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You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look?

IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't.

When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work.

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Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

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BRAVO!!!!!! I've been saying that as well...

No one is holding the defense blameless but we knew they would suck...now that the offense is just as bad the defense is still why we loss. We have a problem...an offense that has gone from 30 pts/game to 10pts/game...i said this in another thread but Payton acts like this is Madden...instead of getting players that will work with the scheme Ryan wants to play...