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Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

I never thought RR was a good hire to start with based on his previous record and experience. And he did surprisingly well but couldn't maintain his edge the following seasons.

We were moving into a 3-4 and now we're playing a 4-3......how can anyone expect to succeed as a DC with a head coach who just has to meddle with something at all times? Loomis has let Payton make too many questionable decisions and needs to tighten control over the franchise.

The long term plan has been ineffective the last few years. We need a new game plan that will change our course. Too many misses on free agents and terrible drafting hasn't helped but our approach needs a new beginning.

Oh yes, fire the D-line coach.......and the O-line coach too while we're at it. :bng:

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

I haven't been watching the games but the best fix fo a defense is a good running game.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 674554)

Do you think Dennis Allen will be the answer because that's who will replace him. Allen was supposed to fix the things Rob couldn't and it looks like he hasn't helped one bit.

I've said this all year. DA hasn't helped one bit and is as guilty as RR for the results we're seeing.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

The Scientific Method would say to change only one variable and hold all the others constant to see what (if anything) then improves. Limit big change to only one on each side of the ball. But, we appear to have so many possibilities, it is tempting to make whole scale changes.

The good news is we revamped our personnel who draft.

We have starters who should no longer be starting: WR Colston, ROT Streif, ROG Evan, LB Hawthorne. Maybe NT Jenkins. Maybe our punter.

We've starters who should never have been our best to start if we knew how to draft: Lelito, half our LB corps, half our DL, half our secondary.

We have starters who should have their roles reduced: RB Ingram, CB Browner, our Safeties. Maybe NT Jenkins. Whoever is OLB opposite Kikaha.

We need new schemes or new personnel to stop the passes to the TE and the runs up the middle. And a possession WR to play with Cooks and Snead.

We need to sit Brees until he is healed or whatever else is wrong until he can deal with the OL we do have. He's holding the ball too long and making decisions/throws/ducks that should be or are picked off.

We have coaches who still need to go: Vitt and other position coaches for a while now. Maybe RR.

We have coaches who should have their roles reduced. SP (play-calling). Maybe RR.

We should explore any trade opportunities...players (Ingram, maybe Jordan) and coaches. Well, Coach. Don't like the risk on that one.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

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Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 674873)

This defense is worse than the offense...our o line is terrible but it's no excuse for this defense...if you told me 4 years ago that we can have Brandon Browner, Keenan Lewis and Jarius Byrd all on the field at the same time I'd be calling top 5 defense...it's a reason Dallas let him go and we were just in denial

Was our defense ranked in the top 5 in 09? Look this is something I hated to do. But that defense around Peyton.........half of it was good before he even got there. Brady? Yeah pats were a good run defense for years, and they only needed to work on the secondary. Here's the thing, you can't expect a defense to stay good when you let go so many contributors. I'm sorry but that's just how it is.

This sucks to say but are you willing to risk Drew Brees health to be a top five defense in two years? I'm not.

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 674886)

You are spot on IMO burningmetal. The defense has shown some improvement with the exception of a couple slackers. Take Brandon Browner and all of his killer penalties and missed tackles out of the equation, how much better would this defense look?

IMO the offense is gone and done. When Mccown started, we slimmed it down and it worked. Last week it seemed we were pretty much doing the same thing but with Drew. Now this game they didn't.

When your Offense is struggling and your O line is acting like a turnstile at a little wayne concert, where is the adjustment? Where are the quick strike plays? IMO the blame is on the coaching. Im with Danno with, its time to blow this **** up. Payton has no answers, he looks defeated, he is no longer motivated. His assistants are washed up and just collecting a paycheck. If The upper Brass can get the right personnel in here, we have the players to make this work.

What upper brass?

Re: For the love of Peat, FIRE RR

Is it RR or the fact that rookies had no one to learn from?

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Our team sucks. Oh well. On to the Failclowns.

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 674891)

Yet, "we" could not score, even when "we" got the ball back inside the Eagles territory.

Yet, the Eagles did not score. And those were not horribly thrown balls. Those were good plays made by the defense.

Oh yeah! 3 points!! Game winner right there. And the offensive run down after the 3 points, you ask?

1 Play, fumble lost, Eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 13. Eagles get TD off it.
6 plays, 17 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
4 plays, 18 yards, punt. Eagles get only a FG off it.
3 plays, fumble lost. Eagles get only FG off it.
2 plays, interception. eagles offense gets the ball at the Saints 4. Eagles get TD off it.

That's a grand total of 16 plays in 5 offensive series, no points scored, and 3 TOs.

It is not about making excuses for 519 yards.
1. No one is excusing anything.
2. The score doesn't count yards, it counts points. And when the game mattered, the Eagles could have scored 11 points and won the game.

But go ahead and pile up on the coach that has 6 rookies starting on defense (especially one that seems to get flagged for merely looking wrong at WRs) and doesn't have the freedom to bring his own assistant coaches.

The thread title should read fire Payton, not RR.

Dude, I don't think you understand the point at all. Between you and the other guy arguing with me in here, neither of you seem to get that I'm not excusing either side of the ball. You don't win games when you play like the Saints did yesterday, period. That's why the score was 39-17 and could have been worse. They stink. When did I tell you that the offense did enough to win?

I gave my opinion on both sides of the ball in this thread. And when it comes to the defense, I really don't care about how much time they're on the field when they show ZERO resistance.

You keep bringing up how many points we scored. You're argument is that the defense was on the field too much. It doesn't matter that the opening drive was a field goal instead of a touchdown. The point was simple: You had the whole half plus a long drive to open the second half to allow the defense to rest, and they still got torched right off the bat. In the first quarter, before the defense had any excuse of being tired, they were giving up huge yards. It was fortunate that we got the turnovers. And yes, those WERE bad throws. Especially the first one, which was woefully late on an out route. That bailed them out.

The fact that they got the interceptions doesn't take away from the fact that they were getting pushed around the whole way down the field. There are better teams than the Eagles who won't make those mistakes.

And I'll say it one more time... If they can get 3 and out's, why can't the Saints? If you're not getting abused, you're not going to be on the field long enough to get overly tired. How do you think some games end in scores like 7-3? Neither team is moving the ball, but both defenses manage to keep playing well given that, well, you know, it's 7-3.

As far as how young the defense is, that isn't an excuse for Rob considering they were bad last year as well. He doesn't have a track record for cultivating talent. He has so-so years, and bunch of not so good years as you look through his entire resume'. You wanna fire Payton? Ok, I've made the point he should be under fire, many times before. I don't disagree with you on his own responsibility. You know what some say to that? "Sean won a super bowl, Rob didn't". It doesn't matter who you talk to in here, someone always has an excuse for somebody. You know what I say? They are ALL blowing their jobs right now.

There was no offense or defense in this game. The score could have been better if the offense had played better, but how much better? Neither unit played well. It didn't end better, it ended horribly. There's nothing else to say.