Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again

jeanpierre · 10-20-2015, 10:07 AM

Am bringing up Joe Vitt's competency again because I was discussing the play of Stephone Anthony and Hau'oli Kikaha and whether their respective games have continued to develop and progress...

While they're only rookies and still in the first few games of their young careers, question arose whether they'd continued to progress or if they were still trying to get by on their natural physical talents...

While it's not popular with some, I've argued Joe Vitt (along with DLC Bill Johnson and STC Greg McMahon) are liabilities and should be replaced...

Additionally, while I think Dennis Allen is a superb Secondary Coach/Coordinator, it's a mistake though having a two-headed monster coordinating the defense; two messages, confuses players...

CharityMike · 10-20-2015, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am bringing up Joe Vitt's competency again because I was discussing the play of Stephone Anthony and Hau'oli Kikaha and whether their respective games have continued to develop and progress...

While they're only rookies and still in the first few games of their young careers, question arose whether they'd continued to progress or if they were still trying to get by on their natural physical talents...

While it's not popular with some, I've argued Joe Vitt (along with DLC Bill Johnson and STC Greg McMahon) are liabilities and should be replaced...

Additionally, while I think Dennis Allen is a superb Secondary Coach/Coordinator, it's a mistake though having a two-headed monster coordinating the defense; two messages, confuses players...

Not going to get much of an argument on getting rid of the "boys" but what gives you the impression that just because Allen is here, there are 2 messages? From my understanding, he is coaching the DB's and helping them understand Ryans scheme. He is an assistant to Ryan.

jeanpierre · 10-20-2015, 10:39 AM

Well, for starters, if titles mean anything...

Rob Ryan was Defensive Coordinator which usually means he's the ranking Defensive Coach short of the head coach in most NFL Chain of Commands...

Go to the Saints webpage and now Dennis Allen is list above Ryan as Senior Defensive Assistant (Joe Vitt is listed above both as Asst HC, Linebackers)...

Not necessarily defending Ryan, but usually when you put things to paper (or webpage) then you look at an organizational chart, well you can see potential problematic situations...

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Danno · 10-20-2015, 10:58 AM

Vitt is the assistant head coach. Brian Young and James Willis are now LB position coaches.

Perhaps thats why our LB's look better this year than they have in a long time.

jeanpierre · 10-20-2015, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vitt is the assistant head coach. Brian Young and James Willis are now LB position coaches.

Perhaps thats why our LB's look better this year than they have in a long time.

Good catch on that...

Of course investing a first and second round pick in the linebacking corps doesn't hurt either...

blackangold · 10-20-2015, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vitt is the assistant head coach. Brian Young and James Willis are now LB position coaches.

Perhaps thats why our LB's look better this year than they have in a long time.

What exactly do you do as the assistant head coach...

Carry Payton's Juicy Fruit perhaps... lol

We have so much bloated dead weight on this staff it's worse than the government.

dam1953 · 10-20-2015, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

What exactly do you do as the assistant head coach...

Carry Payton's Juicy Fruit perhaps... lol

We have so much bloated dead weight on this staff it's worse than the government.

What do you do as the assistant head coach....stay out of the way. Makes you wonder what Vitt has on Payton and/or Loomis.

K Major · 10-20-2015, 01:37 PM

Just my observation over the years with our D & assistant coaches...

We really hadn't turned the corner on defense the way I would have expected under the current regime. Sure we've made splashes with Vilma, Fujita but we were still nothing better than average with the exception that Darren Sharper was a ball hawking fool on the back end (2009). Outside of the inaugural season (new scheme and coaches had nothing on tape) the Big Lewboski production has been below par.

Payton refuses to move on from his "boys" & it's crippling the franchise. I think the jury is still out of J Vitt (he has serious talent to work with) but Johnson, Mchahon have no excuses. I'm all for Allen coaching up the secondary but let the next DC pick and choose his staff.

We need fresh faces, new assistant coaches and new ideas.

halloween 65 · 10-20-2015, 09:11 PM

Vitt sux. Johnson sux. Allen stinks and McNothing is pitiful. But what can you do, Paytons good ole' boys.

NOLA54 · 10-20-2015, 10:07 PM

I guess they'll go when Payton goes.

10-20-2015, 10:07 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Am bringing up Joe Vitt's competency again because I was discussing the play of Stephone Anthony and Hau'oli Kikaha and whether their respective games have continued to develop and progress... While they're only rookies and still in the first few games of their young careers, question arose whether they'd continued to progress or if they were still trying to get by on their natural physical talents... While it's not popular with some, I've argued Joe Vitt (along with DLC Bill Johnson and STC Greg McMahon) are liabilities and should be replaced... Additionally, while I think Dennis Allen is a superb Secondary Coach/Coordinator, it's a mistake though having a two-headed monster coordinating the defense; two messages, confuses players...
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10-20-2015, 10:12 AM	#2
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am bringing up Joe Vitt's competency again because I was discussing the play of Stephone Anthony and Hau'oli Kikaha and whether their respective games have continued to develop and progress... While they're only rookies and still in the first few games of their young careers, question arose whether they'd continued to progress or if they were still trying to get by on their natural physical talents... While it's not popular with some, I've argued Joe Vitt (along with DLC Bill Johnson and STC Greg McMahon) are liabilities and should be replaced... Additionally, while I think Dennis Allen is a superb Secondary Coach/Coordinator, it's a mistake though having a two-headed monster coordinating the defense; two messages, confuses players... Not going to get much of an argument on getting rid of the "boys" but what gives you the impression that just because Allen is here, there are 2 messages? From my understanding, he is coaching the DB's and helping them understand Ryans scheme. He is an assistant to Ryan.

10-20-2015, 10:39 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Well, for starters, if titles mean anything... Rob Ryan was Defensive Coordinator which usually means he's the ranking Defensive Coach short of the head coach in most NFL Chain of Commands... Go to the Saints webpage and now Dennis Allen is list above Ryan as Senior Defensive Assistant (Joe Vitt is listed above both as Asst HC, Linebackers)... Not necessarily defending Ryan, but usually when you put things to paper (or webpage) then you look at an organizational chart, well you can see potential problematic situations... New Orleans Saints \| Coaches

10-20-2015, 10:58 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Vitt is the assistant head coach. Brian Young and James Willis are now LB position coaches. Perhaps thats why our LB's look better this year than they have in a long time. Rugby Saint II and dam1953 like this.

10-20-2015, 11:42 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Originally Posted by Danno Vitt is the assistant head coach. Brian Young and James Willis are now LB position coaches. Perhaps thats why our LB's look better this year than they have in a long time. Good catch on that... Of course investing a first and second round pick in the linebacking corps doesn't hurt either... Danno likes this.

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10-20-2015, 12:59 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Originally Posted by Danno Vitt is the assistant head coach. Brian Young and James Willis are now LB position coaches. Perhaps thats why our LB's look better this year than they have in a long time. What exactly do you do as the assistant head coach... Carry Payton's Juicy Fruit perhaps... lol We have so much bloated dead weight on this staff it's worse than the government. mleg1972 and halloween 65 like this.

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dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Originally Posted by blackangold What exactly do you do as the assistant head coach... Carry Payton's Juicy Fruit perhaps... lol We have so much bloated dead weight on this staff it's worse than the government. What do you do as the assistant head coach....stay out of the way. Makes you wonder what Vitt has on Payton and/or Loomis. halloween 65 likes this.

10-20-2015, 01:37 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Just my observation over the years with our D & assistant coaches... We really hadn't turned the corner on defense the way I would have expected under the current regime. Sure we've made splashes with Vilma, Fujita but we were still nothing better than average with the exception that Darren Sharper was a ball hawking fool on the back end (2009). Outside of the inaugural season (new scheme and coaches had nothing on tape) the Big Lewboski production has been below par. Payton refuses to move on from his "boys" & it's crippling the franchise. I think the jury is still out of J Vitt (he has serious talent to work with) but Johnson, Mchahon have no excuses. I'm all for Allen coaching up the secondary but let the next DC pick and choose his staff. We need fresh faces, new assistant coaches and new ideas. mleg1972, jeanpierre, NOLA54 and 3 others like this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again Vitt sux. Johnson sux. Allen stinks and McNothing is pitiful. But what can you do, Paytons good ole' boys.

10-20-2015, 10:07 PM	#10
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bringing up the Joe Vitt issue again I guess they'll go when Payton goes.

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