The positive Rob Ryan thread

[spkb25]

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Yea i got it confused ill admit that but they were also t-28th in ints and t-26th in forced fumbles and the only good thing is that they were t-10th in sacks, so including the yards and points allen wasnt blazing the trail in the DC world. Yea tebow was their qb and were second to last in passing but they were 1st in rushing. Not great but they were 8-8 won the divison and beat big benny in the wild card.

right, so he did ok, that's what i said, better than rr

[burningmetal]

Originally Posted by spkb25

right, so he did ok, that's what i said, better than rr

I didn't remember Allen being the Raiders coach back in 2012, but I remembered vividly how bad the Broncos defense was that year. As for the year he WAS with the Broncos, they might not have had an exciting offense but it was a ball control offense. If you're defense is off the field you can't blame the offense for their struggles.

But again, look at how bad his defense's were in Oakland. That's his "specialty" so that reflects on him as the head coach just as it does being a coordinator. I AM NOT in the "Dennis Allen is running the defense, not Rob" crowd. I hold Rob the most responsible. But Dennis Allen is definitely not the answer in my mind. I'm tired of that whole staff.

[spkb25]

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't remember Allen being the Raiders coach back in 2012, but I remembered vividly how bad the Broncos defense was that year. As for the year he WAS with the Broncos, they might not have had an exciting offense but it was a ball control offense. If you're defense is off the field you can't blame the offense for their struggles.

But again, look at how bad his defense's were in Oakland. That's his "specialty" so that reflects on him as the head coach just as it does being a coordinator. I AM NOT in the "Dennis Allen is running the defense, not Rob" crowd. I hold Rob the most responsible. But Dennis Allen is definitely not the answer in my mind. I'm tired of that whole staff.

i dont care whaat happened in oakland. ray rhodes, wade, gregg williams, romeo

all bad head coaches but good d coords.

I dont know that DA is the answer either, but he could take over right now and would our defense get worse??

[burningmetal]

Originally Posted by spkb25

i dont care whaat happened in oakland. ray rhodes, wade, gregg williams, romeo

all bad head coaches but good d coords.

I dont know that DA is the answer either, but he could take over right now and would our defense get worse??

Any coordinator who is worth his salt should be able to carry that into his head coaching job. You might not win if you can't build the whole team up, but you should have success on your side of the ball, if you're truly good at what you do. Romeo Crennel was only thought to be good in New England. Bill Belichick runs that group just like Payton runs our offense.

Crennel has not done much since he left New England. There are a lot of bad coaches who get hired because some organizations have a hard time identifying good coaches from the rest of the coaches who are just lucky enough to have superior talent. We've had assistants leave here and suck elsewhere because they never were the brains to begin with (Marronne, Lombardi, Kromer immediately come to mind).

As for your question, what does it matter whether we get worse if we aren't getting better? I don't want Ryan or Allen, period.

[spkb25]

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Any coordinator who is worth his salt should be able to carry that into his head coaching job. You might not win if you can't build the whole team up, but you should have success on your side of the ball, if you're truly good at what you do. Romeo Crennel was only thought to be good in New England. Bill Belichick runs that group just like Payton runs our offense.

Crennel has not done much since he left New England. There are a lot of bad coaches who get hired because some organizations have a hard time identifying good coaches from the rest of the coaches who are just lucky enough to have superior talent. We've had assistants leave here and suck elsewhere because they never were the brains to begin with (Marronne, Lombardi, Kromer immediately come to mind).

As for your question, what does it matter whether we get worse if we aren't getting better? I don't want Ryan or Allen, period.

That's just not true at all. There are some coaches who are good coordinators only. That's just the way it is.