I agree about drafting solid players, I would love a field of blue collar players on both the O-line and the entire D, but drafting players that fit a scheme should be happening, we try to fit way too many square pegs in round holes, our drafts sux and until we fix that it's only filling in.
Davidson should be adding weight instead of losing, if he was able to bulk up I think if he wasn't able to play the nose he would be a mean DE in a 3-4. Ellerbe I would keep. Jordan I would trade for high picks and get a DE and ILB.
Need to finish the 3-4 and say so long to the 4-3 blunder we run. Dropping some big contacts now will pay off and Brees price tag needs to be reduced also.

I agree about the square pegs in round holes, but I disagree about the 3-4 and about Jordan. Cam is one of the best DE's in the NFL and they are very hard to come by. He's equally effective in a 3-4 as he is in 4-3.

To me, Davison looks like a great 3-tech in a 4-3, with the ability to play the NT (4-3) as well.

To me, the future looks like a 4-3 with Jenkins at nose and Davison at the 3 tech, Cam and Richardson on the ends.

Obviously Anthony at MLB, with Kikaha at SLB and Ellerbe at WLB.

I say we stick to a base 4-3 (occasionally mixing in some 3-4) and focus on upgrading OLB and the DE on the other side of Cam.

So help me understand. You propose this front 7:

Jordan Davison Jenkins Richardson
Ellerbe Anthony Kikaha

Now that's 7 players that we currently have on the roster, right?
Yet there has been no consistent pass rush or run stoppage from this, or any other front 7 group of personnel.

So how exactly what is going to improve to significantly change the performance of this proposed front 7 with no significant personnel changes?

SFIAH

And those players in a 3-4 would change how?

We fired our DC. My guess is because he was a bad DC, meaning he couldn't get his talent to perform.

My post was about which scheme best fit our players. It had nothing to do with how bad they played under Rob Ryan.

I agree about the square pegs in round holes, but I disagree about the 3-4 and about Jordan. Cam is one of the best DE's in the NFL and they are very hard to come by. He's equally effective in a 3-4 as he is in 4-3.

To me, Davison looks like a great 3-tech in a 4-3, with the ability to play the NT (4-3) as well.

To me, the future looks like a 4-3 with Jenkins at nose and Davison at the 3 tech, Cam and Richardson on the ends.

Obviously Anthony at MLB, with Kikaha at SLB and Ellerbe at WLB.

I say we stick to a base 4-3 (occasionally mixing in some 3-4) and focus on upgrading OLB and the DE on the other side of Cam.

To me, Davison looks like a great 3-tech in a 4-3, with the ability to play the NT (4-3) as well.

To me, the future looks like a 4-3 with Jenkins at nose and Davison at the 3 tech, Cam and Richardson on the ends.

Obviously Anthony at MLB, with Kikaha at SLB and Ellerbe at WLB.

I say we stick to a base 4-3 (occasionally mixing in some 3-4) and focus on upgrading OLB and the DE on the other side of Cam.

Rather than agree to disagree over Jordan, let's look at some of the other personnel...

Consider...

Davison is not going to generate pass rush; you need a 3-tech (A. Donald) to get after the passer; he is, however, a great nose tackle capable of collapsing a pocket...

Jenkins had the size to be a great nose tackle until we inexplicably had him slim down to play a 3-tech...

bulk him back up and rotate with Davison and you'll have one of the best, freshest NT rotations in the league...

Richardson has the size for a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive end, his pass rush skills are limited by his experience, but he's a great rotation guy...

Linebackers...

Well, we've got the high-motored OLB Kasim Edebali sitting on...the bench?!?

Put him in across from Hau'oli Kikaha; we've seem some good things when both those guys are in...

Then you put Stephone Anthony and Dannell Ellerbe (when healthy) in the middle; Ellerbe was much better in the 3-4 (Baltimore, first year Miami) than he is in the 4-3...

Now you've limited the front seven area of responsibility and allow them to read faster and make plays rather than depend on the secondary for play making...

Let three of our big guys rotate and plow and clog against the oppositions five offensive linemen, gaining a numbers advantage...

and then randomly attack with these athletic linebacker we have from the various four spots (one example - zone blitzing, stunts)...

We also have some other great players on the practice squad and injured reserve...

OLB Davis Tull, NT Ashaad Mabry, DL Lawrence Virgil and NT Austin Brown...

They can come in next season and compete to make that front better with a consistent, fresh rotation...

But with the current pass rush "led" by Cam Jordan, we're just going to see more of the same regardless if Rob Ryan is on our sideline or not...

Rather than agree to disagree over Jordan, let's look at some of the other personnel...

Consider...

Davison is not going to generate pass rush; you need a 3-tech (A. Donald) to get after the passer; he is, however, a great nose tackle capable of collapsing a pocket...

Jenkins had the size to be a great nose tackle until we inexplicably had him slim down to play a 3-tech...

bulk him back up and rotate with Davison and you'll have one of the best, freshest NT rotations in the league...

Richardson has the size for a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive end, his pass rush skills are limited by his experience, but he's a great rotation guy...

Linebackers...

Well, we've got the high-motored OLB Kasim Edebali sitting on...the bench?!?

Put him in across from Hau'oli Kikaha; we've seem some good things when both those guys are in...

Then you put Stephone Anthony and Dannell Ellerbe (when healthy) in the middle; Ellerbe was much better in the 3-4 (Baltimore, first year Miami) than he is in the 4-3...

Now you've limited the front seven area of responsibility and allow them to read faster and make plays rather than depend on the secondary for play making...

Let three of our big guys rotate and plow and clog against the oppositions five offensive linemen, gaining a numbers advantage...

and then randomly attack with these athletic linebacker we have from the various four spots (one example - zone blitzing, stunts)...

We also have some other great players on the practice squad and injured reserve...

OLB Davis Tull, NT Ashaad Mabry, DL Lawrence Virgil and NT Austin Brown...

They can come in next season and compete to make that front better with a consistent, fresh rotation...

But with the current pass rush "led" by Cam Jordan, we're just going to see more of the same regardless if Rob Ryan is on our sideline or not...