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One problem pherein... Payton hasn't been one of the best coaches in the league in years. It's not overreacting.

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Not all of my keys are working.

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I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this.

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I think this is at least part sarcasm, but I hope it's full sarcasm. That name makes me want to puke.

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The competency hearing I heard took away any chance they may have had. The people at SR talked about this often.

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Both sides are anemic. Been that way for a while. I'm fine with moving on because this is going nowhere.

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That's pretty much how I'm feeling. How many defensive coordinators do we have to go through? Compound that with the fact that our offense is inconsistent and reaching new lows on their bad days and it's clearly time to stop with the complacent coaching.

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Whether you think it's Graham specifically or a big target in general, the point remains the same. You're overlooking the real problem. Ben Watson has taken over as the "big target" and he's been productive, for the most part. The real problem (aside from the obvious offensive line issues) is that Sean isn't fooling anyone with his play design anymore. We were predictable the last couple years from constantly forcing the ball to Jimmy, and now we just send everybody deep, or everyone short.

You don't see any diversity in the routes. Where are the Rub routes, quick screens (not the one's where Drew has to throw the ball 20 yards across the field, and it takes an eternity just to get there), out-routes that are BEYOND the marker, and not these little 3 yard, piece of crap plays?

All that, and Drew continues to make some awful decisions.

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We need to quit looking backward and start looking forward. That is a big part of the franchise's problem right now.

A good up-and-coming NFL defensive assistant would be a fine choice. I wonder if Belichick would let Matt Patricia interview for jobs. Also maybe a college guy could be good. Not a know-it-all like Greg Schiano but someone more like Bill O'Brien.

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Really ? so 2 seasons = bust ? are your serious ? Giants SB, cowboys, and now Saints with a SB and paytons bust ?
You serious or have you head up something.
If SP gets the Falcons job he will kick our ass all day, and you know that.

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This is a plan I can support.
It starts with Loomis...

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I dont think hiring a defensive coach as a head coach makes a bit of difference. We are still built as an offensive team and it would take yet another revamping to change that. Just because we have been sucking on defense does not mean we need a defensive minded head coach as I see posted over and over. What we need is a head coach who knows enough to take over offensive AND defensive play calling duties when his assistants arent getting it done.
Payton is dubbed an "offensive genius" but its obvious he knows abosolutely nothing about coaching defenses. There is no excuse for a head coach to let his defense get as bad as ours. He can blame it on staff all he wants but in the end he doesnt know what the hell is going on either.
We need a well rounded coach. Doesnt matter if he is an offensive or defensive coach but he better know how to call the shots on either side if he has to.

Our defense is dead last. That means Payton is not a good enough defensive coach to even get us to second to last.

The last thing we need to do is hire a defensive coach just for the sake of fixing our defense and wind up with the same problem just reversed.

Another thing, If Benson really did have all his facilities about him dont you think we would have heard something from him by now? At least an expression of dissapointment?

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1. Demote Loomis to bean counter
2. Rip up contract for training camp at greenbrier
3. Every defensive coach fired
4. Trade Spiller and Browner
5. Cut Colston, Strief, Lelito, Hawthorne and Jenkins
6. Draft OG, DT, LB, WR and DE
7. Free agent OG, LB,

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I understand all the emotional craziness right now. But I'm not going to freak out. So the year is tanked. But I have high hopes for next year.

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First off, move Ireland up to GM? Like he was with Miami?

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The Defense wasn't going to change overnight, that I kind of figured.
The O-Line got absolutely owned today Drew was on his heels running for his life. JJ Watts was like a Fox in a Hen House he pretty much tore it up.
Not seeing a Field General on Defense like Vilma used to do. I will admit the light that used to be in SP's eyes is fading to Black.

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It won't be easy
Road games
@KC
@SD(better hope Rivers is gone)
@Ari(better hope Palmer gets his sb)
@SF(if they still suck)
@Dal(this will be a loss)

Home games
Den(no Manning but that defense)
Oakland(a rising qb)
Sea
StL
Det

Call that easy next year? We better go five-one in the division.

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Be careful what you wish for. The grass isn't always greener.

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There's a new one.

Got any ideas? This grass doesn't look very green to me.

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This is something I can't agree with you on, man. First I didn't see anyone use the word bust. Bust is a term for someone that never lived up to expectations. Payton was an elite coach once. I don't know if he ever will be again, but he isn't currently. And this goes back further than two years.

We haven't been a true contender since 2011. We had the bad year without Payton in 2012, then in '13 we made it back to the playoffs, but that was mainly due to the fact that we had one of those rare years where the defense actually showed up. The offense was ok, but not elite. We couldn't move the ball against top defenses, and that meant we couldn't compete in the playoffs with the likes of Seattle.

Remember back in the day when we never felt we were out of a game? Going back to that '11 season, we had this amazing offense all year, then when we faced the 49ers in the playoffs, we came out and did everything wrong. Fell behind 17-0 against a defense who was thought to be impenetrable, we had 5 freaking turnovers and a horrible defense. It looked like we were going to lose by 40 points. Yet we came all the way back to take the lead, only to have ol' Gregg and his boys blow it.

Those days have been gone since then. When we fall behind to any kind of a decent team (sometimes bad teams, too), we just clam up and get beat down. These last two years have been bad on all parts.

Sean, Mickey and all those guys have to change what they are doing. I agreed with the firing of Rob Ryan, though I knew full well it wasn't going to change anything this year. But Payton commented on it, saying "we can't continue with status quo", I believe were his words. Well... He needs to take his own advice. Status quo = stale and cold.

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If you listen to his press conference he thinks there's just a few things that need to be improved. But don't worry they will see the tape tomorrow
and get it squared away because Carolina's coming a knocking.

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Unless Rita goes base jumping without a chute, she's already won...

Tick-tock, Tick-tock for Tommy...

Benson didn't lose control of the team, but he can't remove the team from the trust...

Tick-tock, Tick-tock...

And Gayle will just have to find another old geezer to kanoodle with and bank-roll her "interior decorating" pursuits...

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The trust has nothing to do with voting shares.

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Shake it up ... been working for Detroit ... 3-0 since firing Team President Lewan and General Manager Mayhew ... of course, they started out 1-7, so it doesn't really matter, but I never really thought something like that would affect what happens on the field that much. Must make everyone reflect on their own job security, :lol:.

But's who's out there and how does all the legal stuff affect firing/hiring front office personnel? Rumor has it if you can snag Baltimore's Assistant GM, John Harbaugh can be had/would come along, other than that, (?).

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Is the band wagon on fire?

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we were 6-10 last season, yes I said 6-10 because Tampa tanked in order to get first pick.

We are looking at 4-12 to 7-9 again, how much worse could it get?

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I know there's no way you mean me by this.

The team may be worse than a year ago.

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oh course not, just wondering as a group that is all.

I am looking for silver lined clouds in the storm of 2016 that is all. I am not at the point house cleaning or jumping from the band wagon season of 2016.

I came into this season saying two things.

1 give this team time to gel - injuries slowed that jell down
2 Build for 2017

So I am still chewing on the same things. They just turned out to be a little harder to digest than I was expecting.

We got some good players in the draft.

The biggest bounce of the year? Rob is gone.

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draft picks dont seem to help us much

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Jeff Ireland made a difference in the last draft...

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who?

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Good points. The next head coach needs to be well-rounded. And more importantly, he must hire quality assistants and hold them accountable.

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And hold himself accountable at times.
Payton just looks to pass the blame whenever possible

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Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)


If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

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Those are some quality players rezburna, but I think we would struggle to afford even one or two of them with Brees still under contract and dead money galore.

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Paytongate. Here we go. Cmon. He deserves one more season is all I'm saying. I know fans got "used to winning" but sometimes consistency is more important if you want results. Just my opinion.

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For the Payton fire people, come on guys we suck!
We knew this before the season started. Most of the people we drafted in 2015 are starting as rookies, which is amazing.

We talked about this already, remember?

We lost draft picks due to bounty-gate and made some crap choices in the drafts from 2012-2014 (not all but most).
At the end of 2014 Loomis and SP saw this and fired the scouting staff. Then this year we suddenly had our best draft in ages.

Firing Sean Payton will be about as effective as firing Rob Ryan. A placebo if anything. Canning SP cannot offset the fact that we're starting rookies and we have aging vets in some positions we can't bring replacements in for fast enough.

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It probably could have worked out if we hadn't suffered an inordinate amount of injuries to key people (Lewis, Hawthorne, Armstead, Ellerbe, Brees, Bush, Robinson, Swann, and Kikaha).

Why is that every year we have a lot of players hurt? Not just the typical amount other teams deal with, but a lot. Its been going on for years. Its like we're made of glass. Could it be our S&C programs?

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Holding Training Camp at a Spa doesn't help

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It doesn't hurt other teams that practice up North at nice facilities. IIRC there are several top teams that do that.