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yes

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Definitely, times up, get him gone.

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he will do well at his next place, but his time is done

we need a harbaugh or bill cowher type

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Knew this was coming.

Can't say I'm surprised and hoestly I think it's time as well.

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Exactly, we are not a physically or mentally tough team, we were both in 2009 - 2011, Payton has completely lost the team, the players aren't even trying anymore.

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No one wants to coach this team....we have zero talent....and even less cap space...if that's possible

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oh lord i will not go here.

Litto at guard was a question mark. Drafting a LT to move him right that still needed time to develop at LT was a question mark. Evens was showing age last year.

But the saints in the past few drafts went defense and traded for defense for the most part. FA are defense for the most part.

This is all getting Rob the players he wanted and the saints put to risk the offense. Still good enough to spank most teams in the NFL but against the top defenses it really shows that we went a bit too far in the name of building a defense.

So I am not going here.

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It's time. People will say be careful what you wish for... But the fact of the matter is that this team hasn't really been winning consistently for two years WITH Payton and Brees. It can't get much worse.

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good explanation and right on

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The first firing needs to be Mickey Loomis...

Bump Jeff Ireland up as General Manager...

Have Ireland inform Sean that Johnson, Vitt, McMahon, Ingalls, Dalrymple will be dismissed...

Now if Sean Payton can't accept those changes (or really wants a change of scenery, i.e. Dallas), well...

Let him seek a compensation package with Dallas, Miami whereby the Saints get two (2) No. 1 picks and...

...said team pick up any remaining Saints financial obligations re: Payton...

Saints then release the rights to Jerruh or the Miami dweeb...

Bring Bill Parcells in as President and let him and Ireland hire the next head coach...

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He was TOAST last year. Empty suit.

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Brees to Player/Coach/GM, Song from When the Saints.... to Summer Breeze.

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Ya'll are funny

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This is funny. If we kick ass in two weeks everyone will give him a pass. I don't think he'll go this year. I'd like to see one more year before I make up my mind.

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No passes - season in flames

Wholesale changes on D needed - clean house. Special teams too. And oline and receivers coach

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Nah... This is a new low. This is the first time since 2005 that we haven't scored a TD. For such a brilliant offensive mind with a future Hall of Fame QB this is unacceptable. When I look at how our offense has become less and less reliable it's impossible for me to only focus on the good games. People may point to how highly ranked our offense is, but we're 4-7 and getting worse.

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I agree the only problem is with the cap situation I don't think the team will be much different next year.

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No.

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If you have as many punts as points scored, even after coming out of your bye week - you've got a bleeping coaching problem.

I just looked at the NFL schedule and outside of the Chargers losing 33-3 to the Chiefs, this was the worst showing any NFL team had coming out of a bye week this year.

Payton needs to go. Even if by some chance we win next week vs Carolina, it's fools gold as we'll soon be back to our terrible ways. We need a new approach.

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Believe it or not we could have scred two TDs in this game.

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Are you aiming for the silver lining award? Believe it or not, we scored none.

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I am amused that people still try to point to any one particular problem as the reason we suck. Blaming the cap, blaming inexperience, blaming Payton, the offensive line, and on the list goes.

Not everyone, but some people just want to point to one or two areas. I don't get that. I don't always believe in the old saying "you win as a team, you lose as a team". That's the nice PC thing to say, but sometimes you can play really well and have one or two guys totally screw it up.

But this team? I see no strengths. Yes, our cap situation is horrible. It ALWAYS IS. Loomis is a problem pusher, not a problem solver. I say this year after year, only to be told that they know better than me, and I must not be a real fan, blah blah. I'm still waiting to be proven wrong.

But giving Payton a pass because of the cap? I know we don't have the greatest players on offense, but then we always seem to get by with one or two stars and a bunch of "blue collar" guys who fit the system, right? Well that's the way it used to be. Have you seen the play calling? There is no imagination. We had a 4th and 1 inside the 5 and Sean calls a pass play that sends all four receivers to the right side. How do you get open when you draw the entire defense into one area and run your receivers into them? It's hopeless looking out there.

Then you have old offensive linemen getting whipped, even with help, and a rookie who isn't even showing potential, that I can see.

The defense... Well you know that story. Sorry, no one deserves a pass. I'm not even interested in discussing firings anymore. It'll be whatever it'll be.

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agree with other points but we have talent. Our entire secondary is probably the best all around talent wise. Byrd, Vaccarro, Breaux, and who knows if Lewis will be back but Swan is an up and comer. The talent is there.
Offensively we still have a HOF QB, Cooks, Snead, maybe Watson, Ingram, Armstead, Peat. We are a couple of players away from having a dangerous team. A legit number 1 receiver, one or two stout offensive lineman and a pass rusher.
I agree though nobody will want to coach here. We are a mess as far as the salary cap and the only way to free up space would be to get rid of Brees which is about the ONLY redeeming quality a coach would consider when thinking of working here. The talent as I mentioned above doesnt look as enticing as it does with a Drew Brees. like it or not the future of the Saints here in New Orleans is an unknown. If Rita wins what will she do with the team? Coaches will consider that as job security is tough enough in the NFL as it is.
I would love to have harbaugh though.

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This post just could not be more wrong. Might be the most ignorant post of the year.

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I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion.

Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason.

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And Im called negative sometimes lol.
There is something wrong going on. Been happening since SP was kicked out for the year by goodell.
Years before that we atleast made the playoffs, but defence ended those runs.
Cant put my finger on it. Maybe SP just lost the passion, and is just coaching as a job. I dont see players afraid of him anymore or the usually sideline passion.
Could be he really does have a drinking or other problem, and no one is talking about it. Would explain alot. In which case Im for helping him and keeping him.
I really dont feel like these games are being pre-planned like it used to be.
Feels like they are winging it, and caught flat footed.
Think maybe SP should not have God rights. He seems to hire friends, players he likes more than talent. Poor judge of defensive needs.

I think loomis has to go, and the buddy buddy network broken up. Put a GM over SP that can whip him back into shape. Demands explanations. Picks his own DC.
I mean get serious SP offences since 2006 ranking 1-5 in the NFL is some kind of record. Hes an brillant OC . He just needs to lose some control of things.
Parcels as a GM would not take SP's sh#t, and want to know how he got blown out by the redskins and texans.

Throwing SP away could be a huge mistake. Brees should stay for 2 seasons until we can get a new franchise QB. Still think Colt McCoy needs a shot.
We are not going to get anyone better than Brees, even though he's losing a step.

Id rather see a rational migration in 3 years. Starting with firing Loomis and giving the GM control over the team, for awhile. Reduce SP's role, as a slap on the wrist. GM can look over the new DC and all coaching to see if they need replacing.
Last thing I want to see is SP in Atlanta. Big mistake, he has alot of the tools he needs there.

nah, Im not into throwing the babe out with the bath water. SP is a top 5 coach in the NFL, and keep Brees to give us time to replace him with someone really really good. At least with Brees and good OL we have a shot.
I dont want to revert to pre 2006.
That would be a mistake and might last for 5-10 years after a clean house.
Any great coach out of retirement is just going to be looking for a big paycheck and rusty, and no Gruden was never that good of a coach or did we forget that. Really he has King as his QB? lol. Be like the Ditka era.

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Yeah Sean Payton must go.... It's over..... Goodbye

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Harbaugh is staying in Michigan. And Rita isn't winning.

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If Sean wants to relinquish control he can just go to Dallas for that. Are you asking Benson or thinking Benson is gonna fire Loomis? I don't think it will happen sorry. Benon does not care because he won a sb. What you are asking is just highly imossible.

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Lol dicing his way...

Clearly you didn't actually watch the game, game cast doesn't count. Easily the worst offensive performance of the year and Brees looked awful along with bad play calling.

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yes your right about one thing, it is imossible.....put down the beer man j/k

I think things can be done the right way. We will see. Taking a wreaking ball to the team wont solve much. And SP would make Atalnta a playoff contender or if Brees goes with him to Miami them to.

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Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse.

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We will not kick ass n 2 weeks what else do you have to see ? He has lost this team he will be gone at the end of the year time to go ahead and get ready for the reality of it all....

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And you have inside info about the family affairs of the Bensons? Damn dude you should ask for some money.

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Your right we suck, lol, but I dont see SP being called into Bensons office to be let go either. More likely a meeting of WTF is going on, and good possibility loomis takes the fall. Just me.

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If Sean leaves, he probably leaves on his terms. I don't see him getting fired.

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This is what we call a FULL BOARD MELTDOWN when we see it on another team's board. LOL

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Maybe Payton doesn't want to be here. Not just the Saints,but the sh!thole of a program called the NFL. With all the changes and pathetic officiating along with bountygate and deflategate and god knows what else is going on behind the scenes that fans don't know about,maybe he's just done with all this. I don't blame him,Ive about had enough of it myself.

....or maybe he's a drug head alcoholic who's losing his mind. The funny thing is if we were a dominant team with a winning record and headed deep into the playoffs,we would all be sitting here singing Payton's praises about how great of a coach he is...despite whatever issues he has.Its a fine line.
I think its time for Payton to go and to be honest,I'm not scared about it. If we get a defensive minded coach with passion who can light a fire in these players and let Carmichael control the offense along with a GM who can draft,I think we'll be fine. Sean may go on to coach great for another team,but its apparent he's done here. We'll be wasting time and money keeping him around. We really shouldn't suck this bad. With the talent we have we shouldn't suck at all. I don't believe Payton is giving much effort to this team and I have a feeling some serious sh!t is going down deeper than we think. Just my 2¢.

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We should hire the person that really gave us the SB title. Greg Williams!

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I agree with a lot you said, but I do think we are going to extremes. There is something going on we dont know, I believe. Payton would normally never be happy with this or as complacent as he seems.
I do not want him as a opposing coach in our division. He will do well, and hurt our chances. SP when at his full is extremely dangerious.
I willing to him give a 1-2 seasons more IF he loses god powers, and has a GM boss. I agree SP is not spending the time. Like you said there could be many reasons.
I dont want to lose one of the best coaches in the NFL because we over react or it might be fixable.
Look if we go 9-7 next year and SB win 2017 people will think hes a god again.