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RaginCajun83

11-30-2015 01:25 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

soft camp = soft team, yes they train up north but not a 5* resort in the state of the head coach's rumored GF that just happens to be owned by a fan of the team.

Since his return, Payton has made questionable call after questionable call. That year away took so much aggression and cockiness away from him

The Dude

11-30-2015 01:39 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 683257)

Unless Rita goes base jumping without a chute, she's already won...

Tick-tock, Tick-tock for Tommy...

Benson didn't lose control of the team, but he can't remove the team from the trust...

Tick-tock, Tick-tock...

And Gayle will just have to find another old geezer to kanoodle with and bank-roll her "interior decorating" pursuits...

Exactly. I wouldn't just assume that the franchise staying here is a given. I'm sure prospective head coaches and free agents aren't.

spkb25

11-30-2015 03:37 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 683269)

oh course not, just wondering as a group that is all.

I am looking for silver lined clouds in the storm of 2016 that is all. I am not at the point house cleaning or jumping from the band wagon season of 2016.

I came into this season saying two things.

1 give this team time to gel - injuries slowed that jell down
2 Build for 2017

So I am still chewing on the same things. They just turned out to be a little harder to digest than I was expecting.

We got some good players in the draft.

The biggest bounce of the year? Rob is gone.

we do have some really good young talent, no doubt.

TwistedTiger

11-30-2015 05:57 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

I don't think Payton needs to be fired to turn this thing around, but Loomis does. There also needs to be a change in philosophy to build through the draft instead of getting all these washed up free agents. Unfortunately the salary cap mess and Brees contract stop the Saints from getting young quality free agents that they can sign to long term contracts. Winning big while Brees is still here may not be likely. Saints need a total rebuild.

Euphoria

11-30-2015 06:03 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right!

If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

TwistedTiger

11-30-2015 06:07 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 683367)

Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

He's going to be the HC at Gawga.

Danno

11-30-2015 06:15 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 683367)

He has the most defensive talent in the entire NCAA to work with, and Saban is actually the mastermind behind that defense. Smart just does his bidding.

A big fat hell no!

Let him prove himself with mediocre talent, then lets talk.

CheramieIII

11-30-2015 06:15 PM

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Come on guys and gals. What happened to the days of Don Shula, Chuck Nole, George Halas and Tom Landry and don't tell me their over. Sean Payton has brought respect to a team, a city and a people that was long overdue. He should not get fired and we should stop the discussion there. Our team needs us now more than ever and we should at least have the decency to wait until the end of the regular season.

1967-70 Tom Fears* 13-34-2 28.6%
1970-72 J.D. Roberts 7-25-3 24.3%
1973-75 John North** 11-23-0 32.4%
1975 Ernie Hefferle 1-7-0 12.5%
1976-77 Hank Stram 7-21-0 25%
1978-80 Dick Nolan*** 15-29-0 34.1%
1981-85 O.A. (Bum) Phillips**** 27-42-0 39.1%
1985 Wade Phillips 1-3-0 25%
1986-96 Jim Mora # 93-78-0 55.7%
1996 Rick Venturi 1-7-0 12.5%
1997-99 Mike Ditka 15-33-0 31.3%
2000-05 Jim Haslett 46-52-0 46.9%
2006- Sean Payton 73-39-0 65.1%
*Released after seven games in 1970
**Released after six games in 1975
***Released after 12 games in 1980
****Released after 13 games in 1985
#Resigned after eight games in 1996

neugey

11-30-2015 06:25 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 683374)

I do agree we should wait until end of season if we decide to move on from Payton.

Seer1

11-30-2015 06:31 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 683380)

I do agree we should wait until end of season if we decide to move on from Payton.

Hell no! Let's start kickin' the tires right now. Who really gives a **** about history? Right here, right now.

spkb25

11-30-2015 06:49 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 683367)

let's wait and see what DA can do... I am under no illusions about how much he will be able to change this year, but I'd like to see if there is any improvement

captainshawn

11-30-2015 06:57 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

Ya'll do realize that NOBODY in the Saints organization gives a rat's behind what we think.

Danno

11-30-2015 07:00 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by captainshawn (Post 683395)

Ya'll do realize that NOBODY in the Saints organization gives a rat's behind what we think.

And I'd also add that "we" don't know a fraction of what the entire coaching staff knows.

I'll bet the freaking ball boys know more than 90% of the posters here.

neugey

11-30-2015 07:06 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 683396)

And I'd also add that "we" don't know a fraction of what the entire coaching staff knows.

I'll bet the freaking ball boys know more than 90% of the posters here.

Probably don't want to know some of that stuff LOL.

But we can see everything that happens on the field, which is the bottom line in many ways.

spkb25

11-30-2015 07:13 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by captainshawn (Post 683395)

Ya'll do realize that NOBODY in the Saints organization gives a rat's behind what we think.

LMAO!!

Danno

11-30-2015 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 683398)

Probably don't want to know some of that stuff LOL.

But we can see everything that happens on the field, which is the bottom line in many ways.

True, but way too many people make claims based on what the see, which may or may not be an accurate assessment of the situation.

Just because we've played badly over the last 2 seasons, does that mean Drew Brees sucks? Does it mean Armstead, Morstead, Jordan, Anthony, Lewis, Unger, Watson, Snead, Swann, Kikaha, etc all suck equally?

Should we cut every player we have because "they all suck"? I'd venture to say we have a few morons here that would actually agree with that.

There's a whole lot of factors that play into that bottom line. Most forum jockeys don't have a freaking clue about the majority of them.

bobdog86

11-30-2015 07:42 PM

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Be careful what you wish for, heck maybe we'd get someone like a Chip Kelley or Norv Turner……I hope he stays, but someone in the organization needs to replace some of our position coaches…..Patriots seem to coach up the no names, Tom Cable takes no name no bodies, sometimes from the defense and makes a serviceable O line, i think we need an full one gallon entire enema with position coaches. We need to coach what we got and make them better, just doesn't seem like we do that well.

WillSaints81

11-30-2015 08:02 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 683300)

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

Jones? No. He's inconsistent in Cincinatti as it is. Crabtree is not the number one. Randle is no number one. If he was Eli would not be sucking.

TwistedTiger

11-30-2015 09:54 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainshawn (Post 683395)

Ya'll do realize that NOBODY in the Saints organization gives a rat's behind what we think.

OMG, are you serious? Well might as well shut down the board and everybody go home. I mean if the organization doesn’t get their marching orders from here why have a message board?

The Dude

11-30-2015 10:08 PM

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I think Payton quits making all this back and forth a moot point. I think he is done coaching for a year or two. He will take time off to be around his family, sober up, coach his kids team, etc etc. He say he couldnt see himself coaching another 5 years. That was six years ago

RaginCajun83

11-30-2015 10:17 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 683401)

True, but way too many people make claims based on what the see, which may or may not be an accurate assessment of the situation.

you're so right, lets keep Strief around because he only blows his assignment half the time. Even better, lets overpay Jordan and Byrd so they stay/come to New Orleans yet haven't lived up to their contracts.

I might not their assignment, but I sure as hell can tell when they screwed something up on a given play.

When did Halo let all these squirrels in the house?

NOLA54

11-30-2015 10:46 PM

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Is it time for Payton & Loomis to zip up their trousers and go?

jnormand

11-30-2015 11:19 PM

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Jesus guys and gals stop it! You're acting like the Clown fans!!!

SaintFanInATLHELL

12-01-2015 09:24 AM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 683300)

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)

If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016:

New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap

and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings.

Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap?
Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players?

Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB?

It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings.

SFIAH

Seer1

12-01-2015 09:55 AM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 683396)

And I'd also add that "we" don't know a fraction of what the entire coaching staff knows.

I'll bet the freaking ball boys know more than 90% of the posters here.

Judging by the W-L record and the scores, I'd bet 90% of the other teams' ball boys know more than ours...

CharityMike

12-01-2015 09:55 AM

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Its not Payton that needs to be fired, its some of the position coach's that have to go. BUT, if Payton refuses to fire his buddies, THEN he needs to go. IMO this is the bottom line. We need a change and if he refuses to, he has to go.

Rugby Saint II

12-01-2015 03:25 PM

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It depends. Do you want to go back to the days before Sean Payton came here? I don't. We just implemented an organizational shake up and things will look better next year after another good draft.

CharityMike

12-01-2015 04:44 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 683504)

It depends. Do you want to go back to the days before Sean Payton came here? I don't. We just implemented an organizational shake up and things will look better next year after another good draft.

I don't think anyone does but there are other "Paytons" out there. Payton was just a "coach" when we got him. Like I said above, I don't want him to go but if he is unwilling to make a change, what choices are left? Keep doing the same crap we have been. Get some good players through draft and free agents just to not have them coached up because that's what's going to happen again if nothing is changed.

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44Champs

12-01-2015 08:00 PM

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I'm not on the "fire SP bandwagon" yet. But I have a feeling that having a new young girlfriend has redirected his focus. He was known for spending a lot of time at the office and burning the candle on both ends - especially w living on the northshore and commuting everyday. I'm just wondering how much time he's spending at the office now compared to back then.

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44Champs

12-01-2015 08:09 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 683466)

Judging by the W-L record and the scores, I'd bet 90% of the other teams' ball boys know more than ours...

The Patriots's ball boys definitely know what's going on [emoji1]

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SmashMouth

11-19-2017 02:58 PM

Re: Fire Sean Payton

Calm down people.... Geebus!

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