Fire Sean Payton

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 05:38 PM

Believe it or not we could have scred two TDs in this game.

burningmetal · 11-29-2015, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Believe it or not we could have scred two TDs in this game.

Are you aiming for the silver lining award? Believe it or not, we scored none.

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Are you aiming for the silver lining award? Believe it or not, we scored none.

I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion.

Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason.

blackangold · 11-29-2015, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion.

Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason.

Lol dicing his way...

Clearly you didn't actually watch the game, game cast doesn't count. Easily the worst offensive performance of the year and Brees looked awful along with bad play calling.

burningmetal · 11-29-2015, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion.

Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason.

Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse.

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse.

I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this.

burningmetal · 11-29-2015, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this.

Whether you think it's Graham specifically or a big target in general, the point remains the same. You're overlooking the real problem. Ben Watson has taken over as the "big target" and he's been productive, for the most part. The real problem (aside from the obvious offensive line issues) is that Sean isn't fooling anyone with his play design anymore. We were predictable the last couple years from constantly forcing the ball to Jimmy, and now we just send everybody deep, or everyone short.

You don't see any diversity in the routes. Where are the Rub routes, quick screens (not the one's where Drew has to throw the ball 20 yards across the field, and it takes an eternity just to get there), out-routes that are BEYOND the marker, and not these little 3 yard, piece of crap plays?

All that, and Drew continues to make some awful decisions.

rezburna · 11-30-2015, 09:42 AM

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)

If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

WillSaints81 · 11-30-2015, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

Jones? No. He's inconsistent in Cincinatti as it is. Crabtree is not the number one. Randle is no number one. If he was Eli would not be sucking.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-01-2015, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)

If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016:

New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap

and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings.

Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap?
Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players?

Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB?

It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings.

SFIAH

11-29-2015, 05:38 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Fire Sean Payton Believe it or not we could have scred two TDs in this game.

11-29-2015, 06:33 PM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by burningmetal Are you aiming for the silver lining award? Believe it or not, we scored none. I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion. Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason.

11-29-2015, 06:48 PM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion. Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason. Lol dicing his way... Clearly you didn't actually watch the game, game cast doesn't count. Easily the worst offensive performance of the year and Brees looked awful along with bad play calling. leilung and pherein like this.

11-29-2015, 06:52 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I was on gamecast two straight possessions Brees was dicing his way to the redzone, one was a int the other was a failed 4th down conversion. Remember when it was said after this game in preseason that not having Grham could hurt us in the redzone? Well we faced that exact situation we faced in preseason. Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse. leilung, pherein and CharityMike like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-29-2015, 08:37 PM	#6
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by burningmetal Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse. I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this.

11-29-2015, 06:11 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Believe it or not we could have scred two TDs in this game. Are you aiming for the silver lining award? Believe it or not, we scored none.

11-29-2015, 08:54 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this. Whether you think it's Graham specifically or a big target in general, the point remains the same. You're overlooking the real problem. Ben Watson has taken over as the "big target" and he's been productive, for the most part. The real problem (aside from the obvious offensive line issues) is that Sean isn't fooling anyone with his play design anymore. We were predictable the last couple years from constantly forcing the ball to Jimmy, and now we just send everybody deep, or everyone short. You don't see any diversity in the routes. Where are the Rub routes, quick screens (not the one's where Drew has to throw the ball 20 yards across the field, and it takes an eternity just to get there), out-routes that are BEYOND the marker, and not these little 3 yard, piece of crap plays? All that, and Drew continues to make some awful decisions.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-30-2015, 09:42 AM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,133	Re: Fire Sean Payton Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list. Guard: 1. Brandon Brooks (HOU) 2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL) 3. Evan Mathis (DEN) Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent. Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together. Defense: 1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG) 2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET) 3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG) 4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL) 5. George Iloka, S (CIN) If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka. We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.
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11-30-2015, 08:02 PM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) Jones? No. He's inconsistent in Cincinatti as it is. Crabtree is not the number one. Randle is no number one. If he was Eli would not be sucking.

12-01-2015, 09:24 AM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list. Guard: 1. Brandon Brooks (HOU) 2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL) 3. Evan Mathis (DEN) Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent. Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together. Defense: 1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG) 2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET) 3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG) 4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL) 5. George Iloka, S (CIN) If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka. We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it. OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016: New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings. Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap? Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players? Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB? It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings. SFIAH SloMotion and TwistedTiger like this.
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