What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone

hitta · 12-01-2015, 07:26 AM

Also I'd like to point out that last year, about 1/3 of the way into the season everyone was thinking "The patriots are finish, Brady is in decline... yada yada", then they turned things around and starting playing good ball. Even good coaches hit a wall, then they have to figure out how to break through.

burningmetal · 12-01-2015, 09:47 AM

Fellas, no matter if you want to keep Payton or move in a different direction, there's no reason to be afraid of changes, if that does happen. This is not the pre-free agency NFL. With the salary cap you can't just sit around and wait for everyone to grow up, because by the time they do, half of them will probably be gone.

At the same time, it doesn't have to take years to rebuild. That's the way the league is structured. It's why the league is so incredibly mediocre... So few teams are ever built to last. If you find the right coaches and management, you might have a chance. Maybe we won't be good for another 15 years, but I'd be willing to bet it won't take very long at all, if the Saints do things right.

Whether that means Payton getting a grip, and figuring out how to right the ship, or bringing someone else in, we'll just have to see. But I'm not afraid to see a change, if it comes to that.

Rugby Saint II · 12-01-2015, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Fellas, no matter if you want to keep Payton or move in a different direction, there's no reason to be afraid of changes, if that does happen. This is not the pre-free agency NFL. With the salary cap you can't just sit around and wait for everyone to grow up, because by the time they do, half of them will probably be gone.

At the same time, it doesn't have to take years to rebuild. That's the way the league is structured. It's why the league is so incredibly mediocre... So few teams are ever built to last. If you find the right coaches and management, you might have a chance. Maybe we won't be good for another 15 years, but I'd be willing to bet it won't take very long at all, if the Saints do things right.

Whether that means Payton getting a grip, and figuring out how to right the ship, or bringing someone else in, we'll just have to see. But I'm not afraid to see a change, if it comes to that.

I think he has it figured out. He just needs his starters to be healthy and get some depth behind them. This offseason there were some big changes made and we need to give this plan time to mature.

The problem with Payton is he likes to gamble. Unfortunately, overall the players he's gambled on have been ineffective. Goodwin. Lelito, Coleman and Browner have failed to live up to expectations. I believe Ireland did a good job reining in Payton during the draft this year.

K Major · 12-01-2015, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Even good coaches hit a wall, then they have to figure out how to break through.

But do we have coaches to do that? So far, I don't think we do. Change is good.

exile · 12-01-2015, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

But do we have coaches to do that? So far, I don't think we do. Change is good.

Agreed!

- Sincerely,
Art Modell

QBREES9 · 12-01-2015, 03:43 PM

I'm just going to play the Super Bowl Winning season over and over and over on my DVD player Year after year after year. I'm good.

halloween 65 · 12-01-2015, 07:10 PM

Keep the O-coaches and get rid of the D coaches and start runnnig a 3-4. O would look good with a few pieces and so would the D.

burningmetal · 12-01-2015, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I think he has it figured out. He just needs his starters to be healthy and get some depth behind them. This offseason there were some big changes made and we need to give this plan time to mature.

The problem with Payton is he likes to gamble. Unfortunately, overall the players he's gambled on have been ineffective. Goodwin. Lelito, Coleman and Browner have failed to live up to expectations. I believe Ireland did a good job reining in Payton during the draft this year.

I don't know man. I don't see where he's figured anything out. I understand the player changes, but I'm talking about the way he coaches. The scheme is stale and the decisions are questionable, at best. There is a great deal of disorganization, as well. And the way he's handled Browner, with all of his on-field suckage and off-field drama, there has been no change there.

It doesn't seem to me like he has much of a grip on things. I'm willing to put up with the rest of this season in hopes that they start showing signs of improvement by next year, but if this continues it's time to move on. Again, this isn't a league where you build slowly.

The organizations that stay on top are the one's who are most decisive in making changes before players and schemes get stale, and not over-paying so many players that it compromises the rest of the roster. We just rode this thing right into the ground.

12-01-2015, 07:26 AM	#21
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Also I'd like to point out that last year, about 1/3 of the way into the season everyone was thinking "The patriots are finish, Brady is in decline... yada yada", then they turned things around and starting playing good ball. Even good coaches hit a wall, then they have to figure out how to break through. B_Dub_Saint and Rugby Saint II like this.
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12-01-2015, 09:47 AM	#22
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Fellas, no matter if you want to keep Payton or move in a different direction, there's no reason to be afraid of changes, if that does happen. This is not the pre-free agency NFL. With the salary cap you can't just sit around and wait for everyone to grow up, because by the time they do, half of them will probably be gone. At the same time, it doesn't have to take years to rebuild. That's the way the league is structured. It's why the league is so incredibly mediocre... So few teams are ever built to last. If you find the right coaches and management, you might have a chance. Maybe we won't be good for another 15 years, but I'd be willing to bet it won't take very long at all, if the Saints do things right. Whether that means Payton getting a grip, and figuring out how to right the ship, or bringing someone else in, we'll just have to see. But I'm not afraid to see a change, if it comes to that.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-01-2015, 12:07 PM	#23
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Originally Posted by burningmetal Fellas, no matter if you want to keep Payton or move in a different direction, there's no reason to be afraid of changes, if that does happen. This is not the pre-free agency NFL. With the salary cap you can't just sit around and wait for everyone to grow up, because by the time they do, half of them will probably be gone. At the same time, it doesn't have to take years to rebuild. That's the way the league is structured. It's why the league is so incredibly mediocre... So few teams are ever built to last. If you find the right coaches and management, you might have a chance. Maybe we won't be good for another 15 years, but I'd be willing to bet it won't take very long at all, if the Saints do things right. Whether that means Payton getting a grip, and figuring out how to right the ship, or bringing someone else in, we'll just have to see. But I'm not afraid to see a change, if it comes to that. I think he has it figured out. He just needs his starters to be healthy and get some depth behind them. This offseason there were some big changes made and we need to give this plan time to mature. The problem with Payton is he likes to gamble. Unfortunately, overall the players he's gambled on have been ineffective. Goodwin. Lelito, Coleman and Browner have failed to live up to expectations. I believe Ireland did a good job reining in Payton during the draft this year.

12-01-2015, 12:08 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Originally Posted by hitta Even good coaches hit a wall, then they have to figure out how to break through. But do we have coaches to do that? So far, I don't think we do. Change is good.

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Originally Posted by K Major But do we have coaches to do that? So far, I don't think we do. Change is good. Agreed! - Sincerely, Art Modell K Major likes this.
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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone I'm just going to play the Super Bowl Winning season over and over and over on my DVD player Year after year after year. I'm good.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Keep the O-coaches and get rid of the D coaches and start runnnig a 3-4. O would look good with a few pieces and so would the D.

12-01-2015, 11:35 PM	#28
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I think he has it figured out. He just needs his starters to be healthy and get some depth behind them. This offseason there were some big changes made and we need to give this plan time to mature. The problem with Payton is he likes to gamble. Unfortunately, overall the players he's gambled on have been ineffective. Goodwin. Lelito, Coleman and Browner have failed to live up to expectations. I believe Ireland did a good job reining in Payton during the draft this year. I don't know man. I don't see where he's figured anything out. I understand the player changes, but I'm talking about the way he coaches. The scheme is stale and the decisions are questionable, at best. There is a great deal of disorganization, as well. And the way he's handled Browner, with all of his on-field suckage and off-field drama, there has been no change there. It doesn't seem to me like he has much of a grip on things. I'm willing to put up with the rest of this season in hopes that they start showing signs of improvement by next year, but if this continues it's time to move on. Again, this isn't a league where you build slowly. The organizations that stay on top are the one's who are most decisive in making changes before players and schemes get stale, and not over-paying so many players that it compromises the rest of the roster. We just rode this thing right into the ground.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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