Props to JKool (Warning: AB Here - Enter at own Risk)

WhoDat · 02-20-2005, 07:35 PM

J - I may be misappropriating the props here, but I'm giving 'em to you. If you were quoting from others, I trust you will assign proper credit.

In a recent thread, I read some interesting ideas that J brought up concerning the infamous Aaron Brooks debate. I liked them and wanted to discuss them further with J and others.

Why the Brooks Debate Continues to Rage
J suggested that Brooks is such a hot topic b/c, for the most part, we agree on most everything else. I think that's a novel concept that I hadn't thought about, and it probably has merit. While I wouldn't simplify it entirely to that level (I think some posters often try to settle old scores via the same old debate, and the fact that we're in the middle of an offseason without FA or the draft filled with nearly none of the radical changes that Haslett alluded to also plays a part), but the idea is good. We all generally agree that defense should be a primary concern for the 3rd? 4th? straight season. As per usual, LBs and a productive run-stuffing DT top the list. S is a concern, as is depth at corner. Generally though, we all agree that something must be done. On offense, we all see a need for Tackles, though I dare not go farther. So the only thing left to debate is whether or not our loved/hated QB should remain.

(On a side note, this is the what? 4th? year that defense has been a primary concern. And what are those concerns? LB, DT, S... CB (pretty much the whole gammit on D). When will fans finally be fed up with Venturi, Haslett, and a FO that does nothing (at least nothing right) on defense every season???)

Opinions are like ... you know.
J went further as well. He said that we all know the same facts about AB, so disagreement is simply a matter of opinion that cannot be decided. Again, while I have some reservations (I think perception definitely comes into play - but I agree we all have access to the same information), I agree with the general concept.

My hope here is to keep this thing civil, so lets all at least try. Kool - if I remember correctly, you and others have said recently that you are fully aware that AB is not without fault and that other QBs should be brought into challenge him, but you've stopped short of wanting him cut b/c there's no other value at QB out there. While I will not (and probably could not even if I wanted to) argue with the concept that he shuold be kept until another (better) option presents itself, does it seem at all telling to you that the major defense for Brooks right now is no longer that people believe him to really be right, but simply that there are no other better options? In other words - is your argument - yeah, unless the guy proves himself in the meantime, the Saints should only keep him until they can reasonably find someone else?

This seems similar to an analogy I used in another thread. What are your thoughts?

Let me use an analogy, if I may, that we have used a lot in the past: a car. AB is like a porsche fuel injection system. Under perfect conditions the system has the ability to seriously boost horsepower, efficiency, and general performance from the car's engine. For such a potentially powerful piece of equipment, I can understand why the team would be willing to pay a premium. However, 4 years later, the damn fuel system hasn't paid off. Hoses are constantly rupturing and having to be replaced. The intakes get clogged and cause misfires. In general, the car runs real well every so often, but normally it is generally in need of repair and maintenance.

To use the same analogy, the LBs may be flat tires and the OT may be a cracked radiator. If you really want this stupid car to go anywhere, you're gonna need to address the tires first. After that, you could move, but the radiator is really going to need to be replaced, or at least sealed and refilled with antifreeze. This fuel injection system may be a large overhaul, and may limit the car less than two flat tires, but it's still a problem and it still needs attention.

That's how I feel about AB. He's a large investment that hasn't paid off. It goes back to the same issue on which we always seem to disagree - when is enough enough?

Would you tend to agree with that? What say you granola boy? :)

[Edited on 21/2/2005 by WhoDat]

02-20-2005, 07:35 PM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Props to JKool (Warning: AB Here - Enter at own Risk) J - I may be misappropriating the props here, but I'm giving 'em to you. If you were quoting from others, I trust you will assign proper credit. In a recent thread, I read some interesting ideas that J brought up concerning the infamous Aaron Brooks debate. I liked them and wanted to discuss them further with J and others. Why the Brooks Debate Continues to Rage J suggested that Brooks is such a hot topic b/c, for the most part, we agree on most everything else. I think that's a novel concept that I hadn't thought about, and it probably has merit. While I wouldn't simplify it entirely to that level (I think some posters often try to settle old scores via the same old debate, and the fact that we're in the middle of an offseason without FA or the draft filled with nearly none of the radical changes that Haslett alluded to also plays a part), but the idea is good. We all generally agree that defense should be a primary concern for the 3rd? 4th? straight season. As per usual, LBs and a productive run-stuffing DT top the list. S is a concern, as is depth at corner. Generally though, we all agree that something must be done. On offense, we all see a need for Tackles, though I dare not go farther. So the only thing left to debate is whether or not our loved/hated QB should remain. (On a side note, this is the what? 4th? year that defense has been a primary concern. And what are those concerns? LB, DT, S... CB (pretty much the whole gammit on D). When will fans finally be fed up with Venturi, Haslett, and a FO that does nothing (at least nothing right) on defense every season???) Opinions are like ... you know. J went further as well. He said that we all know the same facts about AB, so disagreement is simply a matter of opinion that cannot be decided. Again, while I have some reservations (I think perception definitely comes into play - but I agree we all have access to the same information), I agree with the general concept. My hope here is to keep this thing civil, so lets all at least try. Kool - if I remember correctly, you and others have said recently that you are fully aware that AB is not without fault and that other QBs should be brought into challenge him, but you've stopped short of wanting him cut b/c there's no other value at QB out there. While I will not (and probably could not even if I wanted to) argue with the concept that he shuold be kept until another (better) option presents itself, does it seem at all telling to you that the major defense for Brooks right now is no longer that people believe him to really be right, but simply that there are no other better options? In other words - is your argument - yeah, unless the guy proves himself in the meantime, the Saints should only keep him until they can reasonably find someone else? This seems similar to an analogy I used in another thread. What are your thoughts? Let me use an analogy, if I may, that we have used a lot in the past: a car. AB is like a porsche fuel injection system. Under perfect conditions the system has the ability to seriously boost horsepower, efficiency, and general performance from the car's engine. For such a potentially powerful piece of equipment, I can understand why the team would be willing to pay a premium. However, 4 years later, the damn fuel system hasn't paid off. Hoses are constantly rupturing and having to be replaced. The intakes get clogged and cause misfires. In general, the car runs real well every so often, but normally it is generally in need of repair and maintenance. To use the same analogy, the LBs may be flat tires and the OT may be a cracked radiator. If you really want this stupid car to go anywhere, you're gonna need to address the tires first. After that, you could move, but the radiator is really going to need to be replaced, or at least sealed and refilled with antifreeze. This fuel injection system may be a large overhaul, and may limit the car less than two flat tires, but it's still a problem and it still needs attention. That's how I feel about AB. He's a large investment that hasn't paid off. It goes back to the same issue on which we always seem to disagree - when is enough enough? Would you tend to agree with that? What say you granola boy? :) [Edited on 21/2/2005 by WhoDat]
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