Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row

12-06-2015, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Dennis Allen needs to hear some criticism for this loss too. You can't man up and leave the long side of the field wide open against the most physical/mobile QB in the league and a good RB. Somebody should have been shifted out wide to that side for contain. It should be simple - defenses even know to do this at the high school level.

I tend to agree however I'd like to see at least a few guys get healthy and see if Allen can make them serviceable. Our roster is so depleted that it's hard to see if you have any pieces moving forward.

NOLA54 · 12-06-2015, 09:53 PM

This all adds up to one thing....Coaches & GM have to go.
I'm hoping we don't win another game this year because until you are totally dissatisfied change can not happen.

While we were competitive today it's not the same as winning. There was a time when we would have won a game like this one.

WillSaints81 · 12-06-2015, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

I was encouraged with the way we play. We were competitive it's just we lack talent and injuries sure aren't helping. We really need a #1 offensive weapon. Need some guard help and D line help. With Lewis and Breaux at corner. Not to mention Swann and PJ coming back next year we should have a solid secondary. Im liking Allen as our DC. Get someone who can constantly rush the passers and we are good. Oh and fire Vitt etc etc.

You forgot about RT. It may be time to move on from Streif, even if he played well today.

The thing is three of our corners are hurt, no wait, four. Who's to say it doesn't happen again?

WillSaints81 · 12-06-2015, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

This all adds up to one thing....Coaches & GM have to go.
I'm hoping we don't win another game this year because until you are totally dissatisfied change can not happen.

While we were competitive today it's not the same as winning. There was a time when we would have won a game like this one.

What happened to the old offense that would force opposing QBs to play catch up? Carolina was not gonna punt on fourth down against us with a narrow lead. It was nothing like against NE, Atl, Ind, NYG a few years ago. That team is missing. That fire on offense is missing. If Cam were down three scores he would have started beating himself just like against Rodgers last year, Ravens and Eagles. We don't do this to teams anymore.

RailBoss · 12-06-2015, 11:34 PM

That challenge on fourth down doomed us. We knew the game would come down to the final seconds and SP threw it away.

burningmetal · 12-07-2015, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

That challenge on fourth down doomed us. We knew the game would come down to the final seconds and SP threw it away.

Yeah that was ridiculous. I was 100% sure we were going to give up the lead after he blew that timeout on what was obviously a catch. And knew we'd need that timeout. It would have saved us a bunch of time and kept us from having to waste a down on the spike. But that's what he does. He only challenges the plays that he has no chance of winning.

halloween 65 · 12-07-2015, 07:17 PM

Our D give up 41 points, couldn't hold up a 14 point lead. Allen has done no better. Payton needs to open his eyes and find us a proven DC to lead this D. The D started out on fire but fizzed out as usual. Easy pickings for a decent O.

Danno · 12-07-2015, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Our D give up 41 points, couldn't hold up a 14 point lead. Allen has done no better. Payton needs to open his eyes and find us a proven DC to lead this D. The D started out on fire but fizzed out as usual. Easy pickings for a decent O.

There's a reason they fizzled out...

Starters in the 2nd half...

CB Brandon Browner
CB Chris Owen
CB Brian Dixon
LB James Anderson
LB Mike Mauti

All would be back-ups even on worse teams than us.

QBREES9 · 12-07-2015, 07:37 PM

Embarrassing. But, i still wear my Saints gear.

halloween 65 · 12-07-2015, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

There's a reason they fizzled out...

Starters in the 2nd half...

CB Brandon Browner
CB Chris Owen
CB Brian Dixon
LB James Anderson
LB Mike Mauti

All would be back-ups even on worse teams than us.

I remember a game that seems really long ago when Mike McKinsey come out of street cloths and we had a beat up secondary then to win that game. Allen didn't do so well last night no matter who was on the field, he tighten the D a little closer to the line until Newton loosened us up with the deep ball, Allen did no better than Ryan. Dixon and Anderson made plays.Mauti put a good shot on Newton, actually rung his bell. I didn't think they played that bad being back-ups.

12-06-2015, 09:48 PM	#11
Threaded by K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,011 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by neugey Dennis Allen needs to hear some criticism for this loss too. You can't man up and leave the long side of the field wide open against the most physical/mobile QB in the league and a good RB. Somebody should have been shifted out wide to that side for contain. It should be simple - defenses even know to do this at the high school level. I tend to agree however I'd like to see at least a few guys get healthy and see if Allen can make them serviceable. Our roster is so depleted that it's hard to see if you have any pieces moving forward. RailBoss likes this.
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12-06-2015, 09:53 PM	#12
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,701 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row This all adds up to one thing....Coaches & GM have to go. I'm hoping we don't win another game this year because until you are totally dissatisfied change can not happen. While we were competitive today it's not the same as winning. There was a time when we would have won a game like this one.

12-06-2015, 11:05 PM	#13
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Originally Posted by GeauxForMore I was encouraged with the way we play. We were competitive it's just we lack talent and injuries sure aren't helping. We really need a #1 offensive weapon. Need some guard help and D line help. With Lewis and Breaux at corner. Not to mention Swann and PJ coming back next year we should have a solid secondary. Im liking Allen as our DC. Get someone who can constantly rush the passers and we are good. Oh and fire Vitt etc etc. You forgot about RT. It may be time to move on from Streif, even if he played well today. The thing is three of our corners are hurt, no wait, four. Who's to say it doesn't happen again?

12-06-2015, 11:11 PM	#14
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Originally Posted by NOLA54 This all adds up to one thing....Coaches & GM have to go. I'm hoping we don't win another game this year because until you are totally dissatisfied change can not happen. While we were competitive today it's not the same as winning. There was a time when we would have won a game like this one. What happened to the old offense that would force opposing QBs to play catch up? Carolina was not gonna punt on fourth down against us with a narrow lead. It was nothing like against NE, Atl, Ind, NYG a few years ago. That team is missing. That fire on offense is missing. If Cam were down three scores he would have started beating himself just like against Rodgers last year, Ravens and Eagles. We don't do this to teams anymore.

12-06-2015, 11:34 PM	#15
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row That challenge on fourth down doomed us. We knew the game would come down to the final seconds and SP threw it away. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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12-07-2015, 12:02 AM	#16
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Originally Posted by RailBoss That challenge on fourth down doomed us. We knew the game would come down to the final seconds and SP threw it away. Yeah that was ridiculous. I was 100% sure we were going to give up the lead after he blew that timeout on what was obviously a catch. And knew we'd need that timeout. It would have saved us a bunch of time and kept us from having to waste a down on the spike. But that's what he does. He only challenges the plays that he has no chance of winning.

12-07-2015, 07:17 PM	#17
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Our D give up 41 points, couldn't hold up a 14 point lead. Allen has done no better. Payton needs to open his eyes and find us a proven DC to lead this D. The D started out on fire but fizzed out as usual. Easy pickings for a decent O.

12-07-2015, 07:26 PM	#18
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Originally Posted by halloween 65 Our D give up 41 points, couldn't hold up a 14 point lead. Allen has done no better. Payton needs to open his eyes and find us a proven DC to lead this D. The D started out on fire but fizzed out as usual. Easy pickings for a decent O. There's a reason they fizzled out... Starters in the 2nd half... CB Brandon Browner CB Chris Owen CB Brian Dixon LB James Anderson LB Mike Mauti All would be back-ups even on worse teams than us. K Major likes this.

12-07-2015, 07:37 PM	#19
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Embarrassing. But, i still wear my Saints gear.

12-07-2015, 08:09 PM	#20
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints lose to Carolina and 4th in a row Originally Posted by Danno There's a reason they fizzled out... Starters in the 2nd half... CB Brandon Browner CB Chris Owen CB Brian Dixon LB James Anderson LB Mike Mauti All would be back-ups even on worse teams than us. I remember a game that seems really long ago when Mike McKinsey come out of street cloths and we had a beat up secondary then to win that game. Allen didn't do so well last night no matter who was on the field, he tighten the D a little closer to the line until Newton loosened us up with the deep ball, Allen did no better than Ryan. Dixon and Anderson made plays.Mauti put a good shot on Newton, actually rung his bell. I didn't think they played that bad being back-ups.

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