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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Quarterbacks Defensive Ends 1. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 1. Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis Colts 2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots 2. Richard Seymour, New England Patriots 3. Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles 3. Julius Peppers, Carolina Panthers 4. Daunte Culpepper, Minnesota Vikings ...
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Quarterbacks Defensive Ends
1. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 1. Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis Colts 2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots 2. Richard Seymour, New England Patriots 3. Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles 3. Julius Peppers, Carolina Panthers 4. Daunte Culpepper, Minnesota Vikings 4. Jason Taylor, Miami Dolphins 5. Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers 5. Michael Strahan, New York Giants 6. Michael Vick, Atlanta Falcons 6. Simeon Rice, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7. Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans 7. Jevon Kearse, Philadelphia Eagles 8. Trent Green, Kansas City Chiefs 8. Patrick Kerney, Atlanta Falcons 9. Chad Pennington, New York Jets 9. Leonard Little, St. Louis Rams 10. Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks 10. Charles Grant, New Orleans Saints 11. David Carr, Houston Texans 11. Trevor Pryce, Denver Broncos 12. Marc Bulger, St. Louis Rams 12. Shaun Ellis, New York Jets 13. Drew Brees, San Diego Chargers 13. Bertrand Berry, Arizona Cardinals 14. Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers 14. Aaron Schobel, Buffalo Bills 15. Byron Leftwich, Jacksonville Jaguars 15. Aaron Smith, Pittsburgh Steelers Running Backs Defensive Tackles 1. LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego Chargers 1. Shaun Rogers, Detroit Lions 2. Deuce McAllister, New Orleans Saints 2. Kris Jenkins, Carolina Panthers 3. Jamal Lewis, Baltimore Ravens 3. Kevin Williams, Minnesota Vikings 4. Shaun Alexander, Seattle Seahawks 4. Marcus Stroud, Jacksonville Jaguars 5. Edgerrin James, Indianapolis Colts 5. Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers 6. Ahman Green, Green Bay Packers 6. John Henderson, Jacksonville Jaguars 7. Priest Holmes, Kansas City Chiefs 7. Anthony McFarland, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8. Clinton Portis, Washington Redskins 8. Jamal Williams, San Diego Chargers 9. Curtis Martin, New York Jets 9. Kevin Carter, Tennessee Titans 10. Fred Taylor, Jacksonville Jaguars 10. Corey Simon, Philadelphia Eagles 11. Corey Dillon, New England Patriots 11. La'Roi Glover, Dallas Cowboys 12. Tiki Barber, New York Giants 12. Cornelius Griffin, Washington Redskins 13. Willis McGahee, Buffalo Bills 13. Rod Coleman, Atlanta Falcons 14. Marshall Faulk, St. Louis Rams 14. Bryant Young, San Francisco 49'ers 15. Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia Eagles 15. Albert Haynesworth, Tennessee Titans Fullbacks Outside Linebackers 1. Tony Richardson, Kansas City Chiefs 1. Keith Bulluck, Tennessee Titans 2. Lorenzo Neal, San Diego Chargers 2. Julian Peterson, San Francisco 49'ers 3. Fred Beasley, San Francisco 49'ers 3. Takeo Spikes, Buffalo Bills 4. Williams Henderson, Green Bay Packers 4. Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5. Cory Schlesinger, Detroit Lions 5. Keith Brooking, Atlanta Falcons 6. Dan Kreider, Pittsburgh Steelers 6. Joey Porter, Pittsburgh Steelers 7. Mack Strong, Seattle Seahawks 7. LaVar Arrington, Washington Redskins 8. Bryan Johnson, Chicago Bears 8. Peter Boulware, Baltimore Ravens 9. Mike Alstott, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9. Marcus Washington, Washington Redskins 10. Terrell Smith, Cleveland Browns 10. Anthony Simmons, Seattle Seahawks 11. Terrell Suggs, Baltimore Ravens 12. Brian Simmons, Cincinnati Bengals 13. Mike Vrabel, New England Patriots 14. Dexter Coakley, Dallas Cowboys 15. Mark Fields, Carolina Panthers Wide Receivers Inside Linebackers 1. Terrell Owens, Philadelphia Eagles 1. Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens 2. Randy Moss, Minnesota Vikings 2. James Farrior, Pittsburgh Steelers 3. Torry Holt, St. Louis Rams 3. Tedy Bruschi, New England Patriots 4. Chad Johnson, Cincinnati Bengals 4. Zach Thomas, Miami Dolphins 5. Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis Colts 5. Brian Urlacher, Chicago Bears 6. Andre Johnson, Houston Texans 6. Donnie Edwards, San Diego Chargers 7. Javon Walker, Green Bay Packers 7. Al Wilson, Denver Broncos 8. Hines Ward, Pittsburgh Steelers 8. Edgerton Hartwell, Baltimore Ravens 9. Darrell Jackson, Seattle Seahawks 9. Dan Morgan, Carolina Panthers 10. Chris Chambers, Miami Dolphins 10. Jeremiah Trotter, Philadelphia Eagles 11. Joe Horn, New Orleans Saints 11. Mike Peterson, Jacksonville Jaguars 12. Laveranues Coles, Washington Redskins 12. Jamie Sharper, Houston Texans 13. Eric Moulds, Buffalo Bills 13. London Fletcher, Buffalo Bills 14. Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Colts 14. Jonathan Vilma, New York Jets 15. Muhsin Muhammad, Carolina Panthers 15. Nick Barnett, Green Bay Packers Tight Ends Cornerbacks 1. Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City Chiefs 1. Champ Bailey, Denver Broncos 2. Todd Heap, Baltimore Ravens 2. Chris McAlister, Baltimore Ravens 3. Antonio Gates, San Diego Chargers 3. Ty Law, New England Patriots 4. Alge Crumpler, Atlanta Falcons 4. Charles Woodson, Oakland Raiders 5. Jeremy Shockey, New York Giants 5. Nate Clements, Buffalo Bills 6. Eric Johnson, San Francisco 49'ers 6. Fred Smoot, Washington Redskins 7. Jason Witten, Dallas Cowboys 7. Patrick Surtain, Miami Dolphins 8. Randy McMichael, Miami Dolphins 8. Antoine Winfield, Minnesota Vikings 9. Bubba Franks, Green Bay Packers 9. Andre Dyson, Tennessee Titans 10. Jim Kleinsasser, Minnesota Vikings 10. Shawn Springs, Washington Redskins 11. Marcus Pollard, Indianapolis Colts 11. Samari Rolle, Tennessee Titans 12. Freddie Jones, Arizona Cardinals 12. Dre' Bly, Detroit Lions 13. Erron Kinney, Tennessee Titans 13. Ronde Barber, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 14. L.J. Smith, Philadelphia Eagles 14. Aaron Glenn, Houston Texans 15. Daniel Graham, New England Patriots 15. Marcus Trufant, Seattle Seahawks Offensive Tackles Safeties 1. Orlando Pace, St. Louis Rams 1. Ed Reed, Baltimore Ravens 2. Jonathan Ogden, Baltimore Ravens 2. Brian Dawkins, Philadelphia Eagles 3. Walter Jones, Seattle Seahawks 3. Roy Williams, Dallas Cowboys 4. Willie Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals 4. Rodney Harrison, New England Patriots 5. Tarik Glenn, Indianapolis Colts 5. Sean Taylor, Washington Redskins 6. Willie Roaf, Kansas City Chiefs 6. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers 7. Flozell Adams, Dallas Cowboys 7. Adrian Wilson, Arizona Cardinals 8. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia Eagles 8. Mike Brown, Chicago Bears 9. Marvel Smith, Pittsburgh Steelers 9. Darren Sharper, Green Bay Packers 10. Victor Riley, New Orleans Saints 10. Lawyer Milloy, Buffalo Bills 11. Matt Light, New England Patriots 11. Donovin Darius, Jacksonville Jaguars 12. Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers 12. Tony Parrish, San Francisco 49'ers 13. Levi Jones, Cincinnati Bengals 13. Michael Lewis, Philadelphia Eagles 14. Jordan Gross, Carolina Panthers 14. Adam Archuleta, St. Louis Rams 15. Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals 15. Eugene Wilson, New England Patriots Offensive Guards Kickers 1. Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh Steelers 1. Adam Vinatieri, New England Patriots 2. Steve Hutchinson, Seattle Seahawks 2. David Akers, Philadelphia Eagles 3. Will Shields, Kansas City Chiefs 3. Ryan Longwell, Green Bay Packers 4. Mike Wahle, Green Bay Packers 4. Mike Vanderjagt, Indianapolis Colts 5. Brian Waters, Kansas City Chiefs 5. Jason Elam, Denver Broncos 6. Larry Allen, Dallas Cowboys 6. Matt Stover, Baltimore Ravens 7. Marco Rivera, Green Bay Packers 7. Sebastian Janikowski, Oakland Raiders 8. Randy Thomas, Washington Redskins 8. Jason Hanson, Detroit Lions 9. Damien Woody, Detroit Lions 9. Phil Dawson, Cleveland Browns 10. Adam Timmerman, St. Louis Rams 10. Jeff Reed, Pittsburgh Steelers 11. Benji Olson, Tennessee Titans 12. Edwin Mulitalo, Baltimore Ravens 13. Chris Villarrial, Buffalo Bills 14. Toniu Fonoti, San Diego Chargers 15. Eric Steinbach, Cincinnati Bengals Centers Punters 1. Kevin Mawae, New York Jets 1. Shane Lechler, Oakland Raiders 2. Olin Kreutz, Chicago Bears 2. Todd Sauerbrun, Carolina Panthers 3. Matt Birk, Minnesota Vikings 3. Mitch Berger, New Orleans Saints 4. Jeff Hartings, Pittsburgh Steelers 4. Chris Hanson, Jacksonville Jaguars 5. Jeremy Newberry, San Francisco 49'ers 5. Craig Hentrich, Tennessee Titans 6. Mike Flanagan, Green Bay Packers 6. Brad Maynard, Chicago Bears 7. LeCharles Bentley, New Orleans Saints 7. Brian Moorman, Buffalo Bills 8. Jeff Saturday, Indianapolis Colts 8. Hunter Smith, Indianapolis Colts 9. Casey Wiegmann, Kansas City Chiefs 9. Scott Player, Arizona Cardinals 10. Tom Nalen, Denver Broncos 10. Tom Tupa, Washington Redskins Head Coaches Coordinators 1. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots 1. Al Saunders, Kansas City Chiefs 2. Bill Parcells, Dallas Cowboys 2. Monte Kiffin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3. Bill Cowher, Pittsburgh Steelers 3. Gregg Williams, Washington Redskins 4. Jon Gruden, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4. Brad Childress, Philadelphia Eagles 5. Dick Vermeil, Kansas City Chiefs 5. Jim Johnson, Philadelphia Eagles 6. Jeff Fisher, Tennessee Titans 6. Dick LeBeau, Pittsburgh Steelers 7. Marty Schottenheimer, San Diego Chargers 7. Jerry Gray, Buffalo Bills 8. Andy Reid, Philadelphia Eagles 8. Tom Moore, Indianapolis Colts 9. John Fox, Carolina Panthers 9. Mike Heimerdinger, New York Jets 10. Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens 10. Scott Linehan, Miami Dolphins Top 50 Overall 1. Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis Colts 2. Ray Lewis, ILB, Baltimore Ravens 3. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego Chargers 4. Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots 5. Orlando Pace, OT, St. Louis Rams 6. Terrell Owens, WR, Philadelphia Eagles 7. Jon Ogden, OT, Baltimore Ravens 8. Ed Reed, S, Baltimore Ravens 9. Randy Moss, WR, Minnesota Vikings 10. Donovan McNabb, QB, Philadelphia Eagles 11. Dwight Freeney, DE, Indianapolis Colts 12. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos 13. Richard Seymour, DE, New England Patriots 14. Daunte Culpepper, QB, Minnesota Vikings 15. Tony Gonzalez, TE, Kansas City Chiefs 16. Walter Jones, OT, Seattle Seahawks 17. Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina Panthers 18. Keith Bulluck, OLB, Tennessee Titans 19. Shaun Rogers, DT, Detroit Lions 20. Kris Jenkins, DT, Carolina Panthers 21. Deuce McAllister, RB, New Orleans Saints 22. Alan Faneca, OG, Pittsburgh Steelers 23. Chris McAlister, CB, Baltimore Ravens 24. Jamal Lewis, RB, Baltimore Ravens 25. Brett Favre, QB, Green Bay Packers 26. Michael Vick, QB, Atlanta Falcons 27. Jason Taylor, DE, Miami Dolphins 28. Torry Holt, WR, St. Louis Rams 29. Michael Strahan, DE, New York Giants 30. Shaun Alexander, RB, Seattle Seahawks 31. Todd Heap, TE, Baltimore Ravens 32. Kevin Williams, DT, Minnesota Vikings 33. Kevin Mawae, C, New York Jets 34. Steve Hutchinson, OG, Seattle Seahawks 35. Ty Law, CB, New England Patriots 36. Edgerrin James, RB, Indianapolis Colts 37. Will Shields, OG, Kansas City Chiefs 38. Chad Johnson, WR, Cincinnati Bengals 39. Steve McNair, QB, Tennessee Titans 40. Ahmad Green, RB, Green Bay Packers 41. Marvin Harrison, WR, Indianapolis Colts 42. Brian Dawkins, S, Philadelphia Eagles 43. Antonio Gates, TE, San Diego Chargers 44. Simeon Rice, DE, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 45. Marcus Stroud, DT, Jacksonville Jaguars 46. Julian Peterson, OLB, San Francisco 49'ers 47. Roy Williams, S, Dallas Cowboys 48. Priest Holmes, RB, Kansas City Chiefs 49. James Farrior, ILB, Pittsburgh Steelers 50. Adam Vinatieri, K, New England Patriots http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...flplayers.html What I notice 1. Our quarterback is not on that list 2. We have 1 defensive plyer in the top 15 at their position 3. We don't have a singul coach OR coordinator in the top 15 4. We only have 6 players in the top 15 of their position 5. We only have 1 player in the leagues top 50. For anyone that was curious as to why the Saints are underacheiving, I am here to tell you that they aren't. As much as it pains me to say this, the saints simply aren't a good football team yet. I think the key to fixing that is to get a top notch coach that will fix our player personal problems and elevate our players preformance. We also need some playmakers on D. Having one player in the top 15 at their position is ridicolous. |
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