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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Dug deeper into safeties and corners up to round 4. We can wait for round 3 perhaps for the second best. 1. Justin Simmons vs Clemson 2015 - YouTube Justin Simmons vs Clemson 2015 - YouTube Justin Simmons vs FSU ...
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Re: 2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............
Dug deeper into safeties and corners up to round 4. We can wait for round 3 perhaps for the second best.
1. He looked good against Clemson and got two interceptions, he was attacking anywhere near him and it was hard to throw his way. He had one whiff but otherwise looked solid. Against FSU, he missed on a tackle but the TD run was nullified. Otherwise he looked great. We can get him here or wait for round 3 for ........... 2. BSU has turned out NFL players in the past especially on the defensive side and Thompson was aggressive throughout the game. These two clips were against bad teams though because he did have a bad whiff against Utah State. But otherwise, he was attacking at almost any point, he can sometimes be too quick but we want aggressiveness right? 3. I have had problems with Baylor defensive players but I saw his tape against UNC, and thought he looked better than I thought. Oklahoma not as good. The UNC one is one to serve notice. He's likely gone round 2 but I would much rather have Simmons than him. The next couple are going to need some coaching maybe idk. 4. The guy that Bleacher Report has been hyping up as NFL ready outside round 1. We'll see. I mean he did not look bad it was USC but nothing spectacular either. Maybe he's fit for a safety imo and that could work. Round 3. 5. He's the highest ranked of the CBs on this list on CBS. So this is about the lowest he goes as outside of round 2 corners get thin and harder to find. He's round 2 so he's serviceable. These I don't want to take the chance on. 6.Cyrus Jones vs LSU (2015) | Draft Breakdown 7.Jalen Mills vs Alabama (2015) | Draft Breakdown CBs from those two schools if good go first round usually not third round. Unless there's some injury or situation and they dropped. Otherwise no contest. Fuller is injured so no to him and Redmond as well. Draft Round 2-Simmons Round 2-Davis Round 2-Howard(maybe) Round 3-Thompson Round 3-Russell Do Not Draft Round 3 or 4-Cyrus Jones Round 3 or 4-Mills |
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Re: 2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............
Kalan Reed, So. Miss is our guy...
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Round 2-Sean Davis - has a ton of buzz with the pats odds are he will not make the 3rd
Round 3-Justin Simmons - I really like smart safeties Round 4-Kalan Reed - I am a bit gun shy but could see the pick I could live with this. two DB that can play either safety spots and drop down into coverage. Most important thing with them they form tackle with force and excel in run support. back end of the saints defense would be set for years, win win plus in a pinch both can play CB. Simmons is better as a CB than Davis. Davis upside at safety is unreal. Simmons upside is between his ears. Reed i will leave to you JP. I do not know enough about the kid but what I have seen he looks pretty good. Instincts are good. Thompson - the more i watch the kid the more i understand the hype but at the same time for a kid that has played safety for so long there are a bit to many mental break downs for me. |
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Vonn Bell
Vonn Bell vs Michigan State (2015) | Draft Breakdown Vonn Bell vs Maryland (2015) | Draft Breakdown He's a strong safety but was drafted as a free safety? He might actually be better suited for it. I did see where he lacked tackles to an extent. He basically just stands there and waits to see if players come his way before tackling. However, he is good as defending the pass. He did get burned on a big Maryland play but made up for that later. If he can just move ahead to make tackles instead of waiting then he will be even better as it's really his only knock. |
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Juston Burris CB/FS NC STATE 6002 212 4.53
I want this kid since all my top dB are gone. Round 2-Sean Davis - Pittsburgh Round 3-Justin Simmons - Denver He may not have a ton of INTs but he gets a lot of breakups. he lays the lumber when form tackling. I smell a special teams demon. NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein noted that North Carolina State CB Juston Burris "never backs down from a physical challenge." Zierlein voiced surprise at just how little draft attention Burris has drawn to this point, hence why the Wolfpack NFL-hopeful cracked the analyst's lists of potential defensive draft steals. Wrote Zierlein, "I'm a fan of his football character on the field -- the way he competes and never backs down from a physical challenge, and how he plays his role in run support. While Burris doesn't have eye-catching ball-production numbers, there is enough there to believe he has a chance to be a competitive NFL cornerback." The 6-foot, 212-pounder did a nice job with his position drills at the NFL Scouting Combine in late February, with TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline relaying that he "looked fluid in drills, especially when flipping his hips [to change direction]." Apr 2 - 12:33 PM Juston Burris - North Carolina State Wolfpack - 2016 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com Juston Burris, CB, NC State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com Juston Burris Draft Profile Juston Burris*|*North Carolina State,*CB*:*2016 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile NFL Draft Prospects at East-West Shrine Game the Broncos Should Have Interest In | Bleacher Report Juston Burris NC State - Bing video |
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Players mocked to go around the 5th
DTNILE LAWRENCE-STAMPLE FLORIDA ST. ACC COMBINE RESULTS GRADE 5.2 6'1" HEIGHT 32 3/4" ARM LENGTH 320LBS. WEIGHT 9 7/8" HANDS OVERVIEW Lawrence-Stample is a run-stuffer, pure and simple. The nose tackle eats double teams for breakfast, lunch and dinner. If single-blocked, however, Lawrence-Stample can find the ball and has the short-area quickness to make the play, so NFL teams looking for a pure nose tackle could be interested. A pectoral injury limited him to four games in 2014, although he came back for the team's Rose Bowl appearance against Oregon (blocking an extra point). A healthy 2015 season, where he played in all 13 games and earned first-team All-ACC honors (36 tackles, 3.5 for loss, two sacks), gave NFL scouts something to consider when reviewing interior defenders. PRO DAY RESULTS 40-yard dash: 5.13 seconds Vertical: 27 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 5 inches Short shuttle: 4.78 seconds 3-cone: 7.81 seconds Bench: 24 reps of 225 pounds ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Stubby, but stout lower body. Decent lateral movement and is a willing chaser down the line. Has quickness off the snap to attack a gap and stress the edge. Better as aggressive upfield player than read-*and-*react two*-gapper. Very good vision into backfield and keeps running back locked in. WEAKNESSES Phone booth worker with limited play range. Inconsistent get-off after snap. Would like to see him become more aggressive with his punch and control technique when two-gapping. Average body control. Not much of a pass rusher. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5 or 6 NFL COMPARISON Zach Kerr BOTTOM LINE While he has the thickness of a plugging nose tackle, Lawrence*-Stample didn't control his grass and dominate at the point of attack as much as scouts wanted to see this season. He has enough power in his base to anchor against double teams and his work at the point of attack will improve with more hand work. Appears to be a backup interior lineman who can handle rotational work OT JOE HAEGNORTH DAKOTA ST. MISSOURI VALLEY COMBINE RESULTS GRADE 5.29 5.16 SEC 111.0 INCH 7.47 SEC 4.47 SEC 6'6" HEIGHT 33 3/4" ARM LENGTH 304LBS. WEIGHT 9 5/8" HANDS OVERVIEW Every draft since 2010 has seen at least one offensive lineman from a non-FBS school drafted in the top 100. Haeg is this year's best candidate, as the 2014 (AP, AFCA) and 2015 (AP, Walter Camp) All-American hopes to follow in his former teammate's shoes; tackle Billy Turner was drafted in the third round by Miami in 2014. This former walk-on received the Top Collegiate Offensive Lineman award from the FCS Athletic Directors Association in 2015, as well. Haeg, a two-time first team All-Missouri Valley Conference pick, started 60 of a possible 61 games (29 at right tackle, 32 on the left side after Turner went to the NFL). PRO DAY RESULTS Broad jump: 9 feet, 3 inches ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Athletic build with potential to add more bulk to his frame. Four-year starter who comes from winning program. Has played both tackle spots. Plays with good posture in his pass sets and uses his length effectively. Can get to the perimeter quickly and seal the edge when asked to short pull around the corner. Agile with lateral quickness. Drives his feet up and along line of scrimmage to maintain leverage in zone engagement. Doesn't panic against spin moves in pass rush. WEAKNESSES Gets caught on the balls of his feet in pass pro rather than sitting down to throw his punch. Needs more knee bend in pass sets. Core strength looks like a major concern. Wasn't challenged by premier athletes on the edge. Timing on combo blocks needs work. Shows better athletic ability laterally than when asked to find targets in space. Zone scheme only lineman. Leans and pushes rather than driving with his lower body. Struggles to sustain and control his blocks even when he wins early in rep. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 4 or 5 NFL COMPARISON James Hurst BOTTOM LINE While the pedigree and the body type look the part, continued tape study begins to uncover core strength issues that permeate several facets of his game. As a run blocker, his inability to drive and sustain blocks is a concern while his pass protection shows a good, initial pass set that turns into leaning to make up for his lack of anchor. While Haeg has the athletic traits of a zone blocking tackle, it won't matter without better functional power. OT BRANDON SHELL SOUTH CAROLINA SEC COMBINE RESULTS GRADE 5.22 5.22 SEC 22 REPS 112.0 INCH 6'5" HEIGHT 34 3/4" ARM LENGTH 324LBS. WEIGHT 10 3/4" HANDS OVERVIEW Yes, Brandon is the great nephew of Pro Football Hall of Famer Art Shell. But it wouldn't matter if he was instead a relative of early television-era star Art Carney ... he simply looks like an NFL tackle with a pro build and long limbs. He may be best at right tackle, a spot which he held down for three years, but he did flash athleticism to pass protect on the left side when he took over the blind side spot as a senior. Either way, if you want a strong run blocker (he will take smaller defenders 10 yards downfield once locked on) who can reach second-level defenders as well, then Shell's your man. PRO DAY RESULTS Short shuttle: 4.62 seconds 3-cone: 7.62 seconds ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Tall with exceptional length. Uses long arms to help him snare sudden inside pass rush moves and redirect edge speed past the pocket. Doesn’t have great footwork for directional change, but finds way to get it done. Patient and relatively accurate on his climbs up to linebackers off of combination blocks. Uses wide frame to his advantage against linebackers. Tape shows natural power and core strength. Functional base blocker in run game but will stalemate more than he wins. Has been a starting SEC tackle for almost entire time at South Carolina. WEAKNESSES Starts with a sound kick*slide, but immediately resorts to a hurried shuffle to try and catch up with edge rusher. Penalties come for rocking pre*-snap for fear of being beaten. Plays with disconnect between hands and feet. Outside foot deadens as he begins to work shoot initial punch in pass pro. More chaser than controlled protector. Too sluggish out of stance to consistently handle stunts inside. Needs better hand placement. Hand strength unimpressive. Doesn’t possess body control of NFL starter. DRAFT PROJECTION Round 6 BOTTOM LINE Shell doesn’t have the feet to play left tackle and doesn’t bend well enough to generate consistent leverage and push as a guard inside. With that said, he has size and length and a four-year starting history in a challenging conference. Add everything up, and Shell looks to be a third day selection as a right tackle only. He may be an eventual starter, but is better* suited as a backup. SEBASTIAN TRETOLA ARKANSAS SEC COMBINE RESULTS GRADE 5.46 5.45 SEC 22 REPS 90.0 INCH 7.94 SEC 5.02 SEC 6'4" HEIGHT 31 1/2" ARM LENGTH 314LBS. WEIGHT 10 3/8" HANDS OVERVIEW Tretola actually began his career at Nevada, redshirting one season and starting four games the next, before heading to Iowa Western Community College for the 2013 season. In his first year with the Razorbacks, he used a strong base and brute strength to pave the way for two 1,000-yard rushers in Alex Collins and Jonathan Williams. Collins again crossed the 1,000-yard barrier in 2015, benefiting from Tretola's (who earned first-team All-SEC honors as a senior) mauling ways. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Outstanding frame and overall thickness throughout. Powerful upper body strength with a natural anchor down below. Won't lose many "power-on-power" scraps. Built like a bruising, NFL-*caliber guard in a power scheme. Can dominate as a base blocker. Possesses the will and exceptional power to generate early movement and take control of the neutral zone. When he gets his arms locked out, it's usually over for defenders. Nasty play demeanor. Arkansas staff can’t speak highly enough about him. One of the unsung catalysts over last two seasons for Arkansas’ power rushing attack. Willing to sumo fight with his hands and work to re-position them at the point of attack. Not a natural bender, but does work hard at trying to keep pad level as low as he can. Faced off against first round defensive tackle talent in the SEC and answered the bell. Recognizes twists and games up front. Mindful with footwork in lateral and can be more effective than expected when asked to reach and hook defenders. WEAKNESSES Short area, phone booth plodder. Noticeable leg stiffness with limited area of effectiveness. Feet stay stuck in the grass after initial contact leaving him susceptible to falling off blocks. Turns into a mauling, bear*-hugger as second-level blocker. Inconsistent on combo* blocks struggling to get off first block and up to the linebacker. Lack of athleticism limits ability to take quality angles up to flowing linebackers. Will duck head into contact in pass protection and has issues with over*-setting against athletic tackles. Has issues with leaning and wide hands in pass pro that are unlikely to change in the pros. Ineffective at changing direction and reacting to sudden a*-gap slashers and is likely to get your quarterback hit from time to time. Balance and body control are below average -- especially on the move. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 3 or 4 NFL COMPARISON Bobby Hart BOTTOM LINE Tretola plays with the in*-your*-face power and toughness that has been a perfect fit for Bret Bielema's, physical rushing attack in Arkansas. While he has the power to be one of the more physical NFL guards as soon as he steps into a camp, his stiffness and marginal athleticism could limit his draft stock and the amount of teams willing to consider him. Tretola could be an eventual starter in the league, but it will likely be for a team looking to grind it out between the tackles. D.J. WHITE GEORGIA TECH ACC GRADE 5.59 4.49 SEC 17 REPS 33.0 INCH 132.0 INCH 7.18 SEC 4.33 SEC 5'11" HEIGHT 31 1/2" ARM LENGTH 193LBS. WEIGHT 9 1/4" HANDS OVERVIEW White made one of the more impressive plays of the 2014 season when he used his speed to chase down Pitt star running back James Conner on a 74-yard run to knock the ball out just before they reached the end zone. That hustle combined with his ability to make plays in coverage turned White into an honorable mention All-ACC selection in 2014 (team-best four interceptions, eight pass breakups). He played well again as a senior (41 tackles, two interceptions, eight pass breakups), making himself a coveted prospect at a prime position. PRO DAY RESULTS Vertical: 34 inches ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Team captain and three-year starter. Patient from press coverage and plays with balance. Disrupts receivers with well-*placed jabs. Plays with desired feel for his man throughout the route, working to stay in his pocket. Good short-area quicks to squeeze routes and close on throws. Challenges catch without running through receivers. Good leaper with high-*point ability. Instinctive and disciplined. Attacks catch point rather than man when in position. Forced a fumble all four years at Ga Tech. Should not be limited by scheme. WEAKNESSES Needs to get head around earlier with back to the ball. A little clunky flipping hips and changing directions sharply. Recovery speed is very average. Play strength needs improvement to challenge NFL size on perimeter. Waits on receiver after short catch giving away valuable yards after catch rather than attacking downhill. Head ducker in run support and finishes with arm tackles over chest*-up approach. DRAFT PROJECTION Round 3 NFL COMPARISON Justin Bethel BOTTOM LINE While White is just a shade smaller and slower than teams usually like outside, he makes up for it with his instincts, athleticism and cover skills. White is relatively clean in coverage and is able to stick to his targets, but may not take enough chances to become a ball *hawk who takes the ball away. White's ball skills and feel for the position could put him in position for early snaps as a third corner and he has eventual starter potential. |
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C AUSTIN BLYTHE
IOWA BIG TEN COMBINE RESULTS GRADE 5.24 5.36 SEC 29 REPS 99.0 INCH 7.52 SEC 4.53 SEC 6'2" HEIGHT 30 1/4" ARM LENGTH 291LBS. WEIGHT 9 3/8" HANDS OVERVIEW In the sports world, Iowa is primarily known for two things: producing NFL offensive linemen and high-level wrestling. Blythe, a Williamsburg, Iowa native, is a perfect example of how those things go hand-in-hand. He was a two-time all-state pick in football (123 career tackles, 40 for loss, 14 sacks) and three straight heavyweight wresting titles (setting a state record with 143 pins) in a state that takes the sport very seriously. He put those skills to use in his redshirt freshman season, starting nine games at right guard but missing two due to injury. Blythe didn’t miss any more games during his three final years with the Hawkeyes, starting all 40 games at center. He gained recognition for his play each year, garnering consensus honorable mention All-Big Ten honors as a sophomore and second team All-Big Ten accolades from league coaches in 2014 and 2015. Blythe was even named as a Rimington Trophy finalist this season. PRO DAY RESULTS 40-yard dash: 5.37 seconds Vertical: 31 inches Broad jump: 8 feet, 3 inches Short shuttle: 4.5 seconds 3-cone drill: 7.53 seconds ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Four-year starter featuring durability and leadership qualities. Has played center and both guard spots which gives him a mental head*start. Controlled glider up to inside linebackers and plays with plus body control. Patient, confident run blocker who consistently lands his blocks in the center of his targets. Keeps his feet grinding after contact to generate movement and prolonged engagement as a blocker. Sticks to opponents like a shadow and is always bodied up near his man. Excellent outside zone blocker. Uses feet and upper body strength to run gap*-shooters up the field past the quarterback. The Hawkeyes love pulling him and using as lead blocker in space. Technician able to snap and step quickly on reach blocks. Sinks hips and can anchor up against bull rushers. Good functional strength for his size. Played in over 96 percent of team’s offensive snaps over last three years. WEAKNESSES Undersized by every standard that NFL teams use for centers. Lack of length and mass is a legitimate concern moving forward. Has played both guard spots and center, but size likely limits him to center only in the league. Teams may view him as fit for zone specific teams which could limit his draft stock. Catches pass rushers rather than punching. Will have to adjust to defensive tackles using length to disrupt his task. Tape shows potential mental mistakes in protection against blitzes. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6 or 7 NFL COMPARISON Matt Paradis BOTTOM LINE Played with consistency throughout his stint as a four-year starter at Iowa and his 2015 tape is solid from start to finish. While his lack of physical traits could hurt where he is taken in the draft, his functional strength, technical savvy, athleticism and body control should not be ignored as he has all the makings of an eventual NFL starter. CB RYAN SMITH NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL MEAC GRADE 5.39 4.47 SEC 18 REPS 36.0 INCH 122.0 INCH 6.88 SEC 4.09 SEC 11.18 SEC 5'11" HEIGHT 30 1/2" ARM LENGTH 189LBS. WEIGHT 8 7/8" HANDS OVERVIEW Major schools missed on this guy. The Maryland Big School All-State honorable mention pick has been a fixture in the NCCU secondary since arriving on campus, starting at least eight games each season. He tied for the FCS lead with four fumble recoveries as a freshman, while also intercepting three pases and breaking up five others. Smith had two interceptions, three pass breakups as a sophomore, recovering three more fumbles. Although he lacked a pick as a junior, he led the team with seven breakups in 2014. He starred as a senior for the Eagles, garnering second team All-MEAC honors as a cornerback (two INT, nine PBU) and returner (28.1 yards per kick return, one touchdown). Smith also accomplished something you don’t hear very often; he set the team career record for solo tackles with 168 as a cornerback. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Gets a solid pop in for his initial chuck at the line of scrimmage. Very smooth in his pedal and turn and does a nice job of reading a receiver's "tells" within his route. Quality footwork for mirror and match and sticks to the hip of his man. Plays with good balls skills and consistently turns to find the ball from man. In zone, slides according to quarterback's eyes restricting passing Windows. Works through combo routes and comes out on right side. Not big and strong, but isn’t soft either. WEAKNESSES Needs advanced instincts and to take coverage chances because closing burst is just marginal. Average long speed in the chase. Can be stacked and big-*boyed on vertical routes creating difficulties playing the ball. Small hands at the end of his short arms. Acceleration from change of direction is below average. Skinny and will always be challenged by size. Ankle*-biter as a tackler. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 4 or 5 NFL COMPARISON Bill Bentley BOTTOM LINE A little small for the perimeter, but worth a consideration from the slot. Smith has cover skills and the short area footwork to challenge for a roster spot matching up against full*-time slot receivers. Smith doesn't have great size and doesn't appear to have the speed or twitch that teams look for, but his tape shows a player with enough skill to warrant a look |
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add a few round 5s to the list
Fall into our laps? Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri 6042 305 5.11 ? DJ Reader NT Clemson 6025 327 5.33 ? Reality check Willie Beavers OT/OG 6045 321 5.28 Mike Thomas, WR, S. Miss 6025 210 4.52 Tyler Ervin KR/RB/WR San Jose St 5097 192 4.41 Cody Core WR Mississippi 6025 205 4.47 Caleb Benenoch OT/OG UCLA 6054 311 4.98 Million dollar question who if any will pick Rashard Robinson*, CB, LSU 6014 171 4.49 |
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