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WhoDatFan26 01-15-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 689271)
Cooks could be a number 1 and Snead is a great compliment in the slot. Personally I think Coleman steps up big for us and becomes our number 2.

OG needs to be addressed, no issues there. TE really needs to be addressed as well, maybe as high as the 3rd.

Safety I don't agree with. We have good DBs (aside from Browner), but they need support from a pass rush. We have 1 good D-lineman in Jordan, outside of him we have a bunch of rotational/practice squad guys. If we keep giving QBs 5 seconds to throw it wont matter what DBs we have.

You are correct. That is why I wanted us to take Bud Dupree from Kentucky last year. Dude was big enough to play on the Line across from Cam Jordan.

Guys remember the last time we made the playoffs we had 49 sacks, the 4th Ranked Defense and the 2nd best Pass Defense in Football. It all starts with Pressure. As Great as Cam Jordan has been, just think how much better he can be with someone else who can apply pressure. The First Pick has to be another edge rusher. If not there is no way we win more than 7 games for a third straight year.

WhoDatFan26 01-15-2016 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 689816)
R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR LaQuon Treadwell, Ole Miss; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

R2, S16 (Pick 48) FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

R3, S15 (Pick 79) OG John Theus, Georgia; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 305 lbs.

R4, S14 (Pick 110*) OG Christian Westerman, Arizona/Auburn; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 315 lbs.

R5, S13 (Pick 141*) DE Jihad Ward, Illinois; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 295 lbs.

R6, S12 (Pick 172*) SS Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 223 lbs.

R7, S16 (Pick 208*) TE David Grinnage, NC State; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 265 lbs.

*To Be Adjusted Once Compensatory Picks are assigned...

The Saints don't need to stock up on Offense. We need defense. Even Coach Payton knows this. We can't keep thinking an undrafted free agent DE can provide pressure. That draft list is not going to happen.

hagan714 01-15-2016 07:13 PM

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jeanpierre 01-15-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 689827)
The Saints don't need to stock up on Offense. We need defense. Even Coach Payton knows this. We can't keep thinking an undrafted free agent DE can provide pressure. That draft list is not going to happen.

So you're going to roll out Jahri Evans and Tim Lelito again to protect your 20 million dollar quarterback?!?

We must get younger and affordable guards...

Marques Colston is one of my second-all-time Saint to Archie Manning, but his body is giving out on him...

Who's going to be the No. 1?!? Cooks?!? Great talent, Great Attitude, but he's too small to body up and keep the chains moving...

It's still early, but to argue that "x" receiver and offensive guards are not priority needs is bewildering...

hagan714 01-15-2016 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 689826)
You are correct. That is why I wanted us to take Bud Dupree from Kentucky last year. Dude was big enough to play on the Line across from Cam Jordan.

Guys remember the last time we made the playoffs we had 49 sacks, the 4th Ranked Defense and the 2nd best Pass Defense in Football. It all starts with Pressure. As Great as Cam Jordan has been, just think how much better he can be with someone else who can apply pressure. The First Pick has to be another edge rusher. If not there is no way we win more than 7 games for a third straight year.

sound logic so i agree BUT as Drew goes so do the saints. Defense in the draft and FA has been this teams main focus for the past few years and well as JP pointed out, some of the old guard is, well just getting old.

I look at this draft as the last draft prior to a huge cap spending spree on FA in 2017. I am expecting more than a few new faces on the teams in 2017. I would expect the saints to draft solid on defense but this should be a year of BPA over need is more than ever. 2017 veteran FA will plug the huge needs

On the bright side this is a solid year for 43 DL players so that should be addressed without a doubt. It will be hard to miss them no matter what round we are picking in. Starters up for grabs through round 3? good chance and excellent depth prospects from there on out.

So I think we have a chance to all be happy if the FO listens to us for a change ;)

I am also not canceling out one solid if not semi big move in FA regarding either postilion

OG Marshal Yanda, Alex Boone, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Wendell, Ramon Foster, Todd Herremans, Amini Silatolu, J.R. Sweezy, Richie Incognito, Stefen Wisniewski.

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Cam Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson, Corey Liuget, Phil Taylor, Chandler Jones, William Hayes, Robert Ayers, Olivier Vernon, Malik Jackson.

Not a bad list of options after the top dogs come off the board. I have not updated my list with any new contracts or stuff for a while

I am watching Malik Jackson DE Denver closely. up and coming young gun. solid against the run and shows great improvement as a pass rusher. Von Miller signing may mean he slips away from the Broncos. He is one of the upside players still that is just starting to prove he can play in the NFL so buy now because next time around he may not come this cheap. 5th year player showing his worth in 2015 as a full time starter. We might get away with one here

jeanpierre 01-15-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 689834)
I am also not canceling out one solid if not semi big move in FA regarding either postilion

OG Marshal Yanda, Alex Boone, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Wendell, Ramon Foster, Todd Herremans, Amini Silatolu, J.R. Sweezy, Richie Incognito, Stefen Wisniewski.

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Cam Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson, Corey Liuget, Phil Taylor, Chandler Jones, William Hayes, Robert Ayers, Olivier Vernon, Malik Jackson.

Not a bad list of options after the top dogs come off the board. I have not updated my list with any new contracts or stuff for a while

Hagan...

Take Yanda off your list...

Source: Marshal Yanda, Ravens agree on 4-year, $32M deal - NFL.com

Wanted to draft Wilkerson out of Temple, but he broke his leg in the last game of the season and I don't think we need more Byrd-types...

And you probably have more access in New England (geez do you guys have sports information access) re: Chandler Jones and his drug debacle (is it me or is the NFL drug screening used just to get rid of bad contracts and bad players?)...

Take Pierre-Paul off the list, don't won't a guy that can't give his teammates a high five, especially because of their own stupidity...

Still say we should sign NT Damon Harrison and run the 3-4 as we've got the personnel under contract to do it; and just draft for depth, development behind those starters; paired up with Malik Jackson and Cam Jordan on the other side - that wouldn't be too shabby...

hagan714 01-15-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 689838)
Hagan...

Still say we should sign NT Damon Harrison and run the 3-4 as we've got the personnel under contract to do it; and just draft for depth, development behind those starters; paired up with Malik Jackson and Cam Jordan on the other side - that wouldn't be too shabby...

Muhammad Wilkerson gets the franchise tag? Harrison could slip through the cracks.

But that might fall into a huge FA signing if the saints did pull it off. There is no doubt about when it comes to Harrison, the dude does not come off the field. for a man that size it is simple amazing. I would be ecstatic with his signing.

Chandler Jones the pats will get to the bottom of it and suspend him in a heart beat. Wes could not escape Bills wrath so neither will Jones, playoffs or no playoffs. So i will keep him on the list as a player that may come cheap due to off the field issues and you can sign him to a prove it short term contract. So lets see what happens.

WhoDatFan26 01-15-2016 11:42 PM

Re: 2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 689833)
So you're going to roll out Jahri Evans and Tim Lelito again to protect your 20 million dollar quarterback?!?

We must get younger and affordable guards...

Marques Colston is one of my second-all-time Saint to Archie Manning, but his body is giving out on him...

Who's going to be the No. 1?!? Cooks?!? Great talent, Great Attitude, but he's too small to body up and keep the chains moving...

It's still early, but to argue that "x" receiver and offensive guards are not priority needs is bewildering...

I got news for you Lelito will probably be starting again. As far as Jahari, his problems are in pass protection not run blocking. we will draft another Guard but we drafted Evans in the 5th Round so we can find a Guard later. We still need to be able to rush the passer.

WhoDatFan26 01-15-2016 11:45 PM

Re: 2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 689834)
sound logic so i agree BUT as Drew goes so do the saints. Defense in the draft and FA has been this teams main focus for the past few years and well as JP pointed out, some of the old guard is, well just getting old.

I look at this draft as the last draft prior to a huge cap spending spree on FA in 2017. I am expecting more than a few new faces on the teams in 2017. I would expect the saints to draft solid on defense but this should be a year of BPA over need is more than ever. 2017 veteran FA will plug the huge needs

On the bright side this is a solid year for 43 DL players so that should be addressed without a doubt. It will be hard to miss them no matter what round we are picking in. Starters up for grabs through round 3? good chance and excellent depth prospects from there on out.

So I think we have a chance to all be happy if the FO listens to us for a change ;)

I am also not canceling out one solid if not semi big move in FA regarding either postilion

OG Marshal Yanda, Alex Boone, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Wendell, Ramon Foster, Todd Herremans, Amini Silatolu, J.R. Sweezy, Richie Incognito, Stefen Wisniewski.

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Cam Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson, Corey Liuget, Phil Taylor, Chandler Jones, William Hayes, Robert Ayers, Olivier Vernon, Malik Jackson.

Not a bad list of options after the top dogs come off the board. I have not updated my list with any new contracts or stuff for a while

I am watching Malik Jackson DE Denver closely. up and coming young gun. solid against the run and shows great improvement as a pass rusher. Von Miller signing may mean he slips away from the Broncos. He is one of the upside players still that is just starting to prove he can play in the NFL so buy now because next time around he may not come this cheap. 5th year player showing his worth in 2015 as a full time starter. We might get away with one here

Both Coach Payton and Mickey have stated no more wild spending in free agency. We will be building through the draft. You build through the draft, get younger cheaper, deeper. DE, LB, G, TE, WR, NT.

jeanpierre 01-16-2016 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 689868)
I got news for you Lelito will probably be starting again. As far as Jahari, his problems are in pass protection not run blocking. we will draft another Guard but we drafted Evans in the 5th Round so we can find a Guard later. We still need to be able to rush the passer.

And you can always find a 1000 recyd X-receiver in the 7th round...

Again, you really want to protect an aged quarterback with that salary cap committment with Evans and Lelito...

You can get by with a high-effort Lelito, but not both...


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