2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I don't like to judge Senior Bowls for how a player does. How they do in conference games is a bigger indication of how they will succeed or not.

I also learn something new. A DT isn't exactly all about getting to the qb but clogging holes and stopping the run. Yet I saw RBs running like crazy against Baylor which is why I'm not high on someone like Billings.

Maybe I did my evaluations wrong and were looking for DTs who could get to the qb and disrupt plays as opposed to what a DT is really supposed to do.

I agree with you. in a 34 or a 43 you need that space eater at NT.

Play at NT will make or break a DL. The saints have DT but no NT that requires respect much less a double team. The saints have a bunch of rotational player that can work. But the sum of the parts does not equal a starter. Kevin Williams still has it but he can no longer be a full time starter. The dudes teeth are starting to leave groves in the turf.

I see quality DT/DE deep and often in the draft

Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama 6034 313 5.14 - I see possible all pro Kevin Williams type of potential.
A'Shawn Robinson DT Alabama 6032 312 5.18 - Do I see a one trick pony here?
Vetron Butler NT/DT/DE LA Tech 6032 325 5.06 - DE skill set? not sure yet, but dam he is looking good
Chris Jones DT/DE Mississippi St 6045 308 5.12
Adam Gotsis, DT/DE, Georgia Tech 6046 285 4.88 - I really like this kids upside
Jihad Ward DT/DE Illinios 6051 296 4.98
Matt Ioannidis, DT/DE, Temple 6036 303 5.08
Quinton Jefferson DT/DE Maryland 6040 289 5.02


NT this year. None are a finished product but still have a ton of upside.

Austin Johnson NT Penn State 6043 325 5.27
D.J. Reader NT Clemson 6030 340 5.04 - guys this big are not suppose to be this fast or quick.

I have a hard time judging NT from spread football governed conferences and a rule of thumb is most do not pan out. Like OL they are fundamentally a mess and need a ton of work on the basics.

Sacks are over rated glamor points in the trenches and I see them as icing on the cake for DL. Almost every sack is a result of units play to allow it to happen.

But first and for most defense against running game has to well coached at this point in players development. They must have gap integrity.

Still hope the saints reach out and talk to my favorite bad boy of the draft who will be a late or by all odds be a UDFA because he was kicked off the team. For reasons I can respect. He did not start the fight, his friends did, according to reports. When enough was enough he put an end to it. This is NT mentality not the soft fluffy cuddly kitty stuff you get out of John Jenkins. That was my knock on him when we drafted him. One year of attitude does not cut it. either you are nasty or your a care bear. So here is one of my steals in the 2016 draft

Josh Tupou, NT, Colorado 6030 325 5.08

Two year starter with no games missed. Loves doing the dirty work in the trenches. Get this kid in and see what you got. He is a space eater with pride and attitude. May not be an all pro but I would not be surprised to see him have a long and productive career in the NFL. At least talk to the kid. I got a long list of swing and misses on these types but I do get one or two every other year.

[halloween 65]

The problem picking a NT for the Saints is they get them to drop weight for they can play faster instead of letting them put weight on to clog those holes and take on double teams constantly. Unless we get a true space eater that does just the down and dirty trench work our middle will still be exposed and give 5 yards a play on run downs. We need a relentless and heavy 3 down NT and things will get better. We need a stud up front.

[hagan714]

Ok hung over from last nights trade and drink draft party. no the ability to have the cash to sign all your picks is not included.

But for the fist time in almost 20 years of doing this I did get voted best draft to fix their team. so i am happy as a pig in crap oh wait no trophy or anything plus they have not played a down yet lol so anyways here to drinking and drafted and trading.

Trade 1 - 12 to Houston 12 22 52 - Paxton Lynch - QB, Memphis
1- 22 Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama 6034 313 5.14

2 - 47 Darian Thompson FS/SS Boise St 6020 210 4.56

Trade 2- 2 - 52 to kc 59 123 150 Su'a Cravens, S/OLB, USC
Trade 3 - 59 to Tenn 64 128 Jeremy Cash, S, Duke

3 - 64 Jordan Jenkins OLB Georgia 6025 257 4.64

Trade 4 - 3 - 78 to Minn 86 118 William Jackson III, CB, Houston
3 - 86 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State 6056 256 4.76

4 - 109 D.J. Reader DT Clemson 6021 325 5.04
4 - 118 Connor McGovern OG Missouri 6042 305 5.02
4 - 123 Sebastian Tretola, ROG, Arkansas 6045 334 5.28

5 - 128 - Kolby Listenbee WR TCU 6013 183 4.36
5 - 140 - LeShaun Sims CB Southern Utah 6003 195 4.45

6 - 150 Terrance Smith OLB/ILB Florida State 6032 232 4.64
6 - 175 De'Vondre Campbell, OLB Minnesota 6035 241 4.73

7 - 233 Mike Thomas, WR, S. Miss 6010 186 4.52


UDFA
Justin Simmons SS/CB Boston College 6024 201 4.59
Rashard Robinson CB/FS LSU 6015 182 4.49
Eric Rawls, DB, Kentucky State 6020 195 4.41
Brad Craddock K Maryland 6003 192 4.88
Josh Tupou, NT, Colorado 6-3 325 5.00
Jonah Austin, G/OT, Nicholls State 6052 330 5.35

After round three i was set with picks and could not get anyone to trade with me up or down because i was to greedy or they were to cheap lol. But i was ok with i reached for the heavens or to the gates of hell at will.

[jeanpierre]

The great thing about the Senior Bowl(s) is both the practices during the week and the game itself has a higher concentration of talent at all positions...

I don't get why Vernon Butler, Louisiana Tech, is overlooked as a Nose Tackle which is his natural position...

Now Butler could be there when we select in Round 2 (chances are slim); that's why I'd really like to sign Jets free agent NT Damon Harrison allowing more freedom in the draft...

[hagan714]

Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama 6034 313 5.14

matched with

Vetron Butler NT/DT/DE LA Tech 6032 325 5.06

Is something I would like to see develop

[hagan714]

lets add some speed! My take? A one-trick pony? But one trick is pretty neat. reportedly run a 4.29-second 40-yard dash. A couple of inches taller than Ted Ginn but better hands. Imagine Cook having this kind of speed taking the top off a defense for him. I think there is enough upside in the kid to get Henderson or Meachem type of numbers out of him without wasting a first round pick. As a 4th/5th WR he is a pretty neat toy

5 - 128 - Kolby Listenbee WR TCU 6013 183 4.36

Bottom Line
Intriguing draft prospect with good height, hands and ball skills and the second gear to threaten defenses deep. Listenbee won't help much as a run blocker and he's not sudden enough to be a consistent worker from the slot, but winning deep can produce touchdowns which will get him into a camp.

Kolby Listenbee Draft Profile

An NFC personnel director says a team will take a chance on TCU senior WR Kolby Listenbee because of his speed.
The evaluator said any player that approaches 10 seconds in the 100 meters is worth a long look by the NFL. Listenbee clocked a 10.03 at the Big 12 championships earlier this year. Not only that, but the 6-foot-1, 183-pound senior has reportedly run a 4.29-second 40-yard dash.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/...olby-listenbee

vs Eric Murray CB Minnesota 5105 196 4.51 one of my favorite CB in the draft the knock on eric is speed/hiegth but not smarts. This shows Murry's smarts and the effort Kolby gives on the field

Kolby Listenbee - TCU Football - WR - 2014 Minnesota Game - YouTube

Kolby Listenbee - TCU Football - WR - 2014 Minnesota Game - YouTube

Highlights candy

YouTube (Short URL)

YouTube (Short URL)

5 - 140 - LeShaun Sims CB Southern Utah 6003 195 4.45

TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline reports that "several teams" believe Southern Utah CB LeShaun Sims will be a better NFL player than heralded teammate S Miles Killebrew.
"The belief is Sims, who looked terrific at Shrine practice on Monday, is a plug and play cornerback while Killebrew, who’ll be at the Senior Bowl next week, is more a product of size and speed," Pauline wrote. The 6-foot, 200-pound Sims currently has a Day 3 grade, while Killebrew is perceived as a surefire Day 2 selection
Recent news on LeShaun Sims - Southern Utah Thunderbirds - Rotoworld.com

Been asking around about this kid and all i get is solid all around CB with good upside. just needs more coaching

[hagan714]

Need a homer on this kid - wth happened?

Rashard Robinson CB/FS LSU 6015 182 4.49
Former LSU junior CB Rashard Robinson declared for the 2016 NFL Draft.
"After much prayer thought & consideration over the past months and deliberation with my family I have decided to declare for the 2016 NFL Draft," Robinson posted on Facebook. We're extremely interested to see how Robinson's situation plays out. The 6-foot-3, 180-pound cornerback hasn't played since 2013, when he was a freshman. That year, he played in 12 games, holding Texas A&M wide receiver Mike Evans to four catches and 51 yards in his first career start. Robinson was suspended indefinitely in 2014 after violating team rules and was unable to gain reinstatement by head coach Les Miles prior to this season. It's a bit surprising that he didn't transfer to get back on the field, but the skill and length are both NFL caliber.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132525/

[K Major]

Originally Posted by hagan714

Need a homer on this kid - wth happened?

I heard more about this kid OFF the field that ON it while at LSU.

Not so sure he is NFL material .

[jeanpierre]

My Selection Board with updates...

R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR LaQuon Treadwell, Ole Miss; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

News: https://www.seccountry.com/mississip...eing-that-high

Treadwell’s draft stock didn’t seem far off expectations – Kiper had him going seventh to the San Francisco 49ers – but the draft guru did warn that the Ole Miss receivers’ high draft status could plummet.

“He has tremendous hands, huge hands, great size, but the comparisons to Alshon Jeffery are accurate,” Kiper said during a conference call. “But Alshon Jeffery was a second-round pick. We’re talking about a top-10 pick here. So, he’s got to run well enough to warrant being that high a pick.”


R2, S16 (Pick 48) FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

News: Darian Thompson impresses in Senior Bowl - Story


R3, S15 (Pick 79) SS Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 223 lbs.

News: Senior Bowl: SUU's Miles Killebrew quietly impresses during showcase game


R4, S14 (Pick 110*) OG Joe Dahl, Washington St; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 310 lbs.

News: WSU Cougars’ OL Joe Dahl shines at Senior Bowl practices | The Seattle Times


R5, S13 (Pick 141*) QB Kevin Hogan, Stanford; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 218 lbs.


R6, S12 (Pick 172*) TRADED (This pick with 2015 Sixth Round Pick traded for DB Damian Swann)


R7, S16 (Pick 208*) LB Nick Kwiatkoski, West Virginia; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 236 lbs.

[jeanpierre]

Scouts pick Miller, Wentz as Senior Bowl standouts | ProFootballTalk

Former Ohio State star Braxton Miller is trying to complete a transformation from quarterback to wide receiver and be an impact player in the NFL.

He probably made some money this week.

A panel of NFL scouts and Senior Bowl personnel voted the dynamic Miller as the top practice performer. Hundreds of NFL coaches, scouts and personnel execs watched three days of NFL-type practices this week in Mobile, Ala.

Also voted as top performers at their respective positions were Carson Wentz of North Dakota State, top quarterback; Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech, top running back; Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma, top wide receiver; Jason Spriggs of Indiana, top offensive lineman; Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky, top defensive lineman; Reggie Ragland of Alabama, top linebacker; Harlan Miller of Southeast Louisiana, top defensive back; and Jeff Overbaugh of San Diego State, top specialist.

Observation: Know the Saints spent some time with Noah Spence, but I have a hard time believing the Saints would step out of their norm on a prospect with past character, dependency issues...