For the 'fans' that questioned Brees' arm strength

burningmetal · 12-30-2015, 12:31 AM

WhoDat, I'm sorry, but this is just pointless. When people think about arm strength and deep passes, they are only taking into account balls that are actually deep passes. Not 20 yarders.

Show me a stat of 35 plus yard passes, and let's see where he ranks. And by the way, no one was "questioning" his arm strength in the beginning of the year... It was a statement of fact. He couldn't EVEN throw it 20 yards. He got healthier, and got back to being decent but he's never been a strong armed QB. What was alarming, was that he didn't even have zip within the range of throws we were used to him making.

That was something anyone could see. If you want to question people's fandom because they point out the obvious and don't just kiss a**, then you have a problem. Not us.

WhoDat!656 · 12-30-2015, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

WhoDat, I'm sorry, but this is just pointless. When people think about arm strength and deep passes, they are only taking into account balls that are actually deep passes. Not 20 yarders.

Show me a stat of 35 plus yard passes, and let's see where he ranks. And by the way, no one was "questioning" his arm strength in the beginning of the year... It was a statement of fact. He couldn't EVEN throw it 20 yards. He got healthier, and got back to being decent but he's never been a strong armed QB. What was alarming, was that he didn't even have zip within the range of throws we were used to him making.

That was something anyone could see. If you want to question people's fandom because they point out the obvious and don't just kiss a**, then you have a problem. Not us.

The link I posted was not limited to 20 yards; it was for 20 yards AND LONGER! I did a cursory search and found that Brees' longest pass of the year was 80 yards.

burningmetal · 01-01-2016, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The link I posted was not limited to 20 yards; it was for 20 yards AND LONGER! I did a cursory search and found that Brees' longest pass of the year was 80 yards.

Yes..... I know. I'm saying TAKE OUT the dinky 20 yarders from that stat and actually rate actual DEEP passes, and you would have a far different stat. Why? Because most of what he throws "downfield" is no longer than 20 to maybe 25 yards. So given that the stat you looked up is including those, Brees' stats are mostly going to be driven by those shorter, so-called "deep" passes. Know what I'm saying?

And you and I both know Drew never threw a pass 80 yards. That was 20 yard pass that Spiller ran the last 60. That's not a deep pass. Therein lies another problem with using these kind of stats... If it's counting distance of the play and not the actual distance the ball was thrown, then it is an invalid and useless statistic.

Rell&Gold · 01-01-2016, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

WhoDat, I'm sorry, but this is just pointless. When people think about arm strength and deep passes, they are only taking into account balls that are actually deep passes. Not 20 yarders.

Show me a stat of 35 plus yard passes, and let's see where he ranks. And by the way, no one was "questioning" his arm strength in the beginning of the year... It was a statement of fact. He couldn't EVEN throw it 20 yards. He got healthier, and got back to being decent but he's never been a strong armed QB. What was alarming, was that he didn't even have zip within the range of throws we were used to him making.

That was something anyone could see. If you want to question people's fandom because they point out the obvious and don't just kiss a**, then you have a problem. Not us.

He couldn't throw the ball 20 yards are you serious? & some of you were saying he couldn't throw before he got hurt

burningmetal · 01-01-2016, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

He couldn't throw the ball 20 yards are you serious? & some of you were saying he couldn't throw before he got hurt

When he got hurt in the Tampa game? Yes, he couldn't throw it 20 yards, and missed the next game because of it. Go back and watch and think about what you're saying before trying to call me out.

I never said he couldn't throw the ball 20 yards at ANY POINT in his career. I clearly stated "in the beginning of the year".

Some of you are too freaking attached to Drew, to the point that you don't want to hear any opinion that isn't slobbering all over his greatness, and take facts that are meant only as just exactly that... FACTS... and turn it into "you guys hating on Drew should be ashamed of yourselves". There are very, VERY few people who actually think Drew sucks. It's not a debate of whether he's a good QB. If you're talking about arm strength alone, Drew has always relied on timing. Which is fine... But it has nothing to do with this argument. When he got hurt, however, he had no ZIP, he couldn't get the ball downfield AT ALL, and it was obvious. We all knew he was hurt at that point. Nobody said he wasn't.

12-30-2015, 12:31 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the 'fans' that questioned Brees' arm strength WhoDat, I'm sorry, but this is just pointless. When people think about arm strength and deep passes, they are only taking into account balls that are actually deep passes. Not 20 yarders. Show me a stat of 35 plus yard passes, and let's see where he ranks. And by the way, no one was "questioning" his arm strength in the beginning of the year... It was a statement of fact. He couldn't EVEN throw it 20 yards. He got healthier, and got back to being decent but he's never been a strong armed QB. What was alarming, was that he didn't even have zip within the range of throws we were used to him making. That was something anyone could see. If you want to question people's fandom because they point out the obvious and don't just kiss a**, then you have a problem. Not us.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-30-2015, 11:49 AM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,096	Re: For the 'fans' that questioned Brees' arm strength Originally Posted by burningmetal WhoDat, I'm sorry, but this is just pointless. When people think about arm strength and deep passes, they are only taking into account balls that are actually deep passes. Not 20 yarders. Show me a stat of 35 plus yard passes, and let's see where he ranks. And by the way, no one was "questioning" his arm strength in the beginning of the year... It was a statement of fact. He couldn't EVEN throw it 20 yards. He got healthier, and got back to being decent but he's never been a strong armed QB. What was alarming, was that he didn't even have zip within the range of throws we were used to him making. That was something anyone could see. If you want to question people's fandom because they point out the obvious and don't just kiss a**, then you have a problem. Not us. The link I posted was not limited to 20 yards; it was for 20 yards AND LONGER! I did a cursory search and found that Brees' longest pass of the year was 80 yards.

01-01-2016, 09:05 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the 'fans' that questioned Brees' arm strength Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The link I posted was not limited to 20 yards; it was for 20 yards AND LONGER! I did a cursory search and found that Brees' longest pass of the year was 80 yards. Yes..... I know. I'm saying TAKE OUT the dinky 20 yarders from that stat and actually rate actual DEEP passes, and you would have a far different stat. Why? Because most of what he throws "downfield" is no longer than 20 to maybe 25 yards. So given that the stat you looked up is including those, Brees' stats are mostly going to be driven by those shorter, so-called "deep" passes. Know what I'm saying? And you and I both know Drew never threw a pass 80 yards. That was 20 yard pass that Spiller ran the last 60. That's not a deep pass. Therein lies another problem with using these kind of stats... If it's counting distance of the play and not the actual distance the ball was thrown, then it is an invalid and useless statistic.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-01-2016, 12:48 PM	#4
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: For the 'fans' that questioned Brees' arm strength Originally Posted by burningmetal WhoDat, I'm sorry, but this is just pointless. When people think about arm strength and deep passes, they are only taking into account balls that are actually deep passes. Not 20 yarders. Show me a stat of 35 plus yard passes, and let's see where he ranks. And by the way, no one was "questioning" his arm strength in the beginning of the year... It was a statement of fact. He couldn't EVEN throw it 20 yards. He got healthier, and got back to being decent but he's never been a strong armed QB. What was alarming, was that he didn't even have zip within the range of throws we were used to him making. That was something anyone could see. If you want to question people's fandom because they point out the obvious and don't just kiss a**, then you have a problem. Not us. He couldn't throw the ball 20 yards are you serious? & some of you were saying he couldn't throw before he got hurt

01-01-2016, 09:09 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For the 'fans' that questioned Brees' arm strength Originally Posted by Rell&Gold He couldn't throw the ball 20 yards are you serious? & some of you were saying he couldn't throw before he got hurt When he got hurt in the Tampa game? Yes, he couldn't throw it 20 yards, and missed the next game because of it. Go back and watch and think about what you're saying before trying to call me out. I never said he couldn't throw the ball 20 yards at ANY POINT in his career. I clearly stated "in the beginning of the year". Some of you are too freaking attached to Drew, to the point that you don't want to hear any opinion that isn't slobbering all over his greatness, and take facts that are meant only as just exactly that... FACTS... and turn it into "you guys hating on Drew should be ashamed of yourselves". There are very, VERY few people who actually think Drew sucks. It's not a debate of whether he's a good QB. If you're talking about arm strength alone, Drew has always relied on timing. Which is fine... But it has nothing to do with this argument. When he got hurt, however, he had no ZIP, he couldn't get the ball downfield AT ALL, and it was obvious. We all knew he was hurt at that point. Nobody said he wasn't.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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