Saints final grades and team snap counts

blackangold · 01-07-2016, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR.

Not aggressive enough?

Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

Danno · 01-07-2016, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not aggressive enough?

Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

I've seen numerous plays where he just didn't fight for the ball like a guy his size should. I know I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think several posters have made the same comment about him.

Rugby Saint II · 01-08-2016, 12:37 PM

We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

lumm0x · 01-08-2016, 01:21 PM

I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

ScottF · 01-08-2016, 01:43 PM

We had the number 1 passing offense (by over 20 yds per game over 2nd place), were 2nd overall in total yards.

I'm for spending every pick on defense

Doesn't matter who we have at receiver / TE; Brees turns them into stars. No Graham? no problem. Who had even heard of Snead before? 1000 yards.
We're looking at 7 wins again if we don't get 3 new starters on defense

Crusader · 01-08-2016, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger.

Crusader · 01-08-2016, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

Danno · 01-08-2016, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

I've noticed that a penalty can neutralize a pretty good game by a player.

His problem was pass protection, which is difficult to grade because we really don't know how deep he's supposed to cover. Is it his fault or was the safety supposed to pick up the WR?

Mistakes by one player can look like a mistake by a different player who noticed the error and tried to compensate.

It happened to Shanle and Harper a lot. They were blamed many times for someone else's error, just because they were the closest player around. Gregg Williams had a great discussion about that several years ago.

halloween 65 · 01-08-2016, 07:48 PM

Anthony has a long way to go.

jeanpierre · 01-09-2016, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Coleman is going to be a stud next year.

You trust those stonehands? Treadwell is already better and hasn't played an NFL down...

Coleman has worked his butt off and deserves a roster spot, but don't see him as our "x" receiver...

01-07-2016, 07:20 PM	#11
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Danno Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR. Not aggressive enough? Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

01-07-2016, 07:30 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by blackangold Not aggressive enough? Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros. I've seen numerous plays where he just didn't fight for the ball like a guy his size should. I know I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think several posters have made the same comment about him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-08-2016, 12:37 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

01-08-2016, 01:21 PM	#14
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

01-08-2016, 01:43 PM	#15
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts We had the number 1 passing offense (by over 20 yds per game over 2nd place), were 2nd overall in total yards. I'm for spending every pick on defense Doesn't matter who we have at receiver / TE; Brees turns them into stars. No Graham? no problem. Who had even heard of Snead before? 1000 yards. We're looking at 7 wins again if we don't get 3 new starters on defense lumm0x and blackangold like this.

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01-08-2016, 04:38 PM	#16
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round. I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger.

01-08-2016, 04:41 PM	#17
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by lumm0x I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find. I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

01-08-2016, 06:05 PM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Crusader I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head. I've noticed that a penalty can neutralize a pretty good game by a player. His problem was pass protection, which is difficult to grade because we really don't know how deep he's supposed to cover. Is it his fault or was the safety supposed to pick up the WR? Mistakes by one player can look like a mistake by a different player who noticed the error and tried to compensate. It happened to Shanle and Harper a lot. They were blamed many times for someone else's error, just because they were the closest player around. Gregg Williams had a great discussion about that several years ago. Crusader likes this.

01-08-2016, 07:48 PM	#19
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Anthony has a long way to go. MarchingOn likes this.

01-09-2016, 05:03 AM	#20
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by blackangold Coleman is going to be a stud next year. You trust those stonehands? Treadwell is already better and hasn't played an NFL down... Coleman has worked his butt off and deserves a roster spot, but don't see him as our "x" receiver...