Saints final grades and team snap counts

hagan714 · 01-06-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I can agree with grabbing a guard but for my money I'd take the TE from Arkansas (Henry) & call it a wrap on offense. The Saints have never had a Treadwell yet we are always top 10. Seattle, Panthers and Pats don't have one either. I have nothing against the kid, he will be solid but it's not what we need at #1.

At the end of the day, defense is still a major concern & our inability to cover TE's (Myles Jack comes to mind) is alarming. Add FA and a VET WR/Dline and pass rusher. I still say you win this game down in the trenches.

There is no doubt the Saints need a WR but whether they snag one in rd #1 is another question.

I would add one more offensive player to the list

WR Tajae Sharpe UMass love this kids game

xan · 01-06-2016, 07:32 AM

Has any full season starter ever received a grade worse than Browner's?

Rugby Saint II · 01-08-2016, 11:37 AM

We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

Crusader · 01-08-2016, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger.

jjasso007 · 01-12-2016, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger.

I'm with you. I believe a guard needs to be a higher priority, but I don't think any of them grades out to be a top 15 pick in this draft. more bottom of round one or round 2 guards. WHen it comes to BPA, we have various spots on defense (DT, DE, OLB) that need some attention and someone will be there at one of those positions when we pick. We can totally grab a top 3 guard in round 2, if we go that route

lumm0x · 01-08-2016, 12:21 PM

I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

Crusader · 01-08-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

Danno · 01-08-2016, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

I've noticed that a penalty can neutralize a pretty good game by a player.

His problem was pass protection, which is difficult to grade because we really don't know how deep he's supposed to cover. Is it his fault or was the safety supposed to pick up the WR?

Mistakes by one player can look like a mistake by a different player who noticed the error and tried to compensate.

It happened to Shanle and Harper a lot. They were blamed many times for someone else's error, just because they were the closest player around. Gregg Williams had a great discussion about that several years ago.

ScottF · 01-08-2016, 12:43 PM

We had the number 1 passing offense (by over 20 yds per game over 2nd place), were 2nd overall in total yards.

I'm for spending every pick on defense

Doesn't matter who we have at receiver / TE; Brees turns them into stars. No Graham? no problem. Who had even heard of Snead before? 1000 yards.
We're looking at 7 wins again if we don't get 3 new starters on defense

halloween 65 · 01-08-2016, 06:48 PM

Anthony has a long way to go.

01-06-2016, 07:32 AM	#2
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Has any full season starter ever received a grade worse than Browner's?

01-08-2016, 11:37 AM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

01-08-2016, 03:38 PM	#4
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,051	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round. I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger.

01-12-2016, 02:10 PM	#5
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Crusader I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger. I'm with you. I believe a guard needs to be a higher priority, but I don't think any of them grades out to be a top 15 pick in this draft. more bottom of round one or round 2 guards. WHen it comes to BPA, we have various spots on defense (DT, DE, OLB) that need some attention and someone will be there at one of those positions when we pick. We can totally grab a top 3 guard in round 2, if we go that route

01-08-2016, 12:21 PM	#6
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

01-06-2016, 10:25 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by K Major I can agree with grabbing a guard but for my money I'd take the TE from Arkansas (Henry) & call it a wrap on offense. The Saints have never had a Treadwell yet we are always top 10. Seattle, Panthers and Pats don't have one either. I have nothing against the kid, he will be solid but it's not what we need at #1. At the end of the day, defense is still a major concern & our inability to cover TE's (Myles Jack comes to mind) is alarming. Add FA and a VET WR/Dline and pass rusher. I still say you win this game down in the trenches. There is no doubt the Saints need a WR but whether they snag one in rd #1 is another question. I would add one more offensive player to the list WR Tajae Sharpe UMass love this kids game K Major likes this.

01-08-2016, 03:41 PM	#7
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,051	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by lumm0x I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find. I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

01-08-2016, 05:05 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Crusader I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head. I've noticed that a penalty can neutralize a pretty good game by a player. His problem was pass protection, which is difficult to grade because we really don't know how deep he's supposed to cover. Is it his fault or was the safety supposed to pick up the WR? Mistakes by one player can look like a mistake by a different player who noticed the error and tried to compensate. It happened to Shanle and Harper a lot. They were blamed many times for someone else's error, just because they were the closest player around. Gregg Williams had a great discussion about that several years ago. Crusader likes this.

01-08-2016, 12:43 PM	#9
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts We had the number 1 passing offense (by over 20 yds per game over 2nd place), were 2nd overall in total yards. I'm for spending every pick on defense Doesn't matter who we have at receiver / TE; Brees turns them into stars. No Graham? no problem. Who had even heard of Snead before? 1000 yards. We're looking at 7 wins again if we don't get 3 new starters on defense lumm0x and blackangold like this.

01-08-2016, 06:48 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Anthony has a long way to go. MarchingOn likes this.

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